Inappropriate course of action taken
axl2derv
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I have today received a letter from the ACCA stating that I am in breach of the terms of the association by mentioning their name while undertaking more than just basic bookkeeping. It was brought to their attention by a member of this site. I am unsure as to why somebody on here would not approach me direct instead of going to the ACCA with my website. This type of behaviour only discourages a person not to pursue their career with the ACCA and go with another organisation. I was under the impression that we all stick together in this kind of profession and not discourage one another.
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Are you an ACCA? If you are why would it be a problem for someone to proudly say that they are?
I think it is really nasty that someone would report you like that behind your back. I hope you able to sort this out in your favour.
Speegs :thumbup1:
No I am not an ACCA student member but I was applying to be, after I finish AAT in August. I meantioned on my website that I was looking to study ACCA and expand my practice to chartered status.
I know they are very strict about when and how their name is used. Before you decide to work as self employed you need to check out the practicing certificate rules as ACCA are very restrictive and you have to work for an approved practice for 3 years before you can be allowed to practice on your own. I believe CIMA are much more flexible.
BTW I didn't report you.
Actually, thinking about it, I could not mention the AAT until I had my practising license and even then the guidelines for using the AAT logo are very strict.
I think if anyone sees something that they is wrong with someone elses website it is only fair that the contact the person first to giving them a chance to rectify what is obviously an innocent mistake in my opinion.
Speegs.
PS I didn't grass you up either.
However, the ACCA have been cited in accountancy journals as the most strictest of all the professional bodies.
The ACCA's view is that they will go to any lengths to protect the integrity of their qualification which is also the reason they place heavy restrictions on what you can do in terms of practising as a bookkeeper (because that's all you can do) unless you meet the requirements (as Annette says), undertake a period of further training and then gain a practising certificate. This is the reason that many AAT MIP's cite as the reason for not doing ACCA because it would severely limit their work.
I had a case a couple of years ago where my brother's friend asked me to write to the tax office for him to do an 'error and mistake' claim - it was literally one letter to the taxman, but I still had to get authorisation to write the letter from ACCA and they instructed me to refer to myself as a 'Honorary Reporting Accountant' in the letter to distinguish me from other practitioners who held practising certificates in order to use the ACCA initials after my name.
In all cases my advice to student members (especially MIPs) is to always consult ACCA before you refer to them as they are extremely strict.
Best wishes
Steve
I know you were advised of ACCA's rules in this thread, and if you changed the words on your website as soon as you were advised, and then got reported to ACCA, then that seems unfair.
If you continued to mention ACCA despite the advice, then unfortunately that is a risk you took and got penalised for.
I note that your current website wording states you are a student member of AAT - I believe this is against AAT rules; until you are a MAAT you just plain can't mention AAT I believe. In the nicest way if I was a prospective client and I noted you were only a student, I'd look elsewhere. I'd change that bit on your website too.
Good luck with everything, but from your various posts it really does seem like you are taking on more than you can handle. Yes, we do stick together as you noted in your OP, but we also tell it how it is as we want to protect the profession which includes you too!
And it wasn't me either
It wasn't me either!!
I had the same problem when I first went Self Employed. I'd paid my ACCA subs and paid for the Home Study kit from BPP and ended up having to cancel my student membership.
I do know of an AAT Member that lives locally to me who is studying ACCA, I believe she has just sat her final exams. She has told me she prepares tax returns then asks Accountants to review them for her, although they are in her name when they are passed to the Client. I don't know whether this is a way round continuing to study with the ACCA or whether she should not be doing this, but as far as I'm aware she has been doing this for at least a year. (I'm not talking about myself if anyone is wondering!!!)
Sue
If she is putting her name to the returns as an individual, as opposed to a representative of a firm, I don't think this would be getting around the rules.
Sub-contracting is a way around the rules and would mean you can count your work-experience towards the ACCA. In the eyes of the client they are a client of the firm who you sub-contract with, but it gives you the flexibility of self employment and means you can undertake more than just book-keeping.
When you originally put your website details on here were you just asking for comments? Surely if you hadn't actually advertised your website anywhere and you were asking for people's opinions on here you hadn't really gone live with the website and as long as you removed it as soon as someone on here told you to then you haven't really done anything wrong?
I've designed my own website and I emailed the AAT on the 3rd October asking if they could confirm that how I have used their logo is acceptable, all I have received so far is an email telling me I will receive a response within 5 working days - I'm not sure what the AAT count as working days!!!
Sue
That is correct. The only people who have seen my website are the people of the AAT forum and my family. I have not advertised it yet. I never meantioned that I was a part of the ACCA, just that I would like to study with them in the future.
I assume you've told the ACCA this? Although you won't be able to study ACCA once you are Self Employed if you are doing more than bookkeeping. The option I have gone for is ATT.
I have just looked at your website - what is your reason behind charging higher bookkeeping hourly rates for larger companies? If you were charging a set price per size of company I could understand.
If you are working on a larger bookkeeping job there is less admin involved for you.
Sue
I think you should write a letter to them stating your reasons & the fact that you only stated that you are PLANNING TO STUDY ACCA. Surely that is a positive thing for ACCA rather than negative? You are promoting their course as well as proving your ambition. Maybe you could get more clues from them as to WHO it was who grassed you up?! Are you sure it was a member of the forums? If it was then I hope they're reading this safe in the knowledge that they're an absolute tw*t! Sorry but it's true!
Sue,
I am only playing around with prices. If you have any pointers for me on how I should charge, I would be most grateful for your advice.
Nope, not allowed.
If you want to join their club you have to play by their rules.
Standard disciplinary action for practising as a student is removal from student register and exclusion from ever becoming a member. If you want to check the punishments for various infringements of ACCA rules then take a look here.
I'm employed as an accounts technician in practice and have finished Tech level but not yet a member.... If I want to train for my ACCA how will that effect what I am doing now... I do it all just under the wing of the practice and their name and insurance etc???
Will it be okay so long as I stay empolyed and not branch out into self employment until ACCA qualified......
Thanks
Thus: Absolutely
When you are employed you are covered by your employers PI and are able to do anything required.
However you are not allowed to do anything in your own name that a third party may place reliance on so you are not able to sign mortgage statements etc.
I have qualified and working towards membership in a non ACCA practice. ACCA are very restrictive about what you can and can't do so as long as you ask yourself is anyone other than your employer placing reliance on what you are producing , you'll be fine.
I presume the distinction is made that when you prepare something for a client, your employer is checking it and therefore taking responsibility for it.
Its been mentioned a few times how ACCA are a lot more restrictive than AAT, but I assume its well worth the time and effort involved??
And once you can practice, what additional cover does ACCA give you?
Hi
This will actually be ok providing you stick to book-keeping, payroll and VAT but you musnt refer to the ACCA connection. Check out the rules book on the ACCA website.
Neil
I started ACCA but stopped after level 2 because I started on my own.
When I sumitted my ACCA studies as CPD for my AAT practicing license it was the AAT licensing panel that pointed out the ACCA rules to me.
I did not grass you up either.
Poodle
Does anyone know any other qualifications that are open to MIPs who want to better themselves??? it seems aat-aca fast track isnt an option either.
p.s i did not mention you either to acca, thats just wrong.!!
Jenny
ATT then CTA..
If you go for ATT or CTA am I right in saying that you may study and pass the exams but when you have finished you will not be able to register as a full member of those bodies and use the designated leters if you work for yourself in an unsupervised capacity.
Poodle
You need to have 3 years relevant recent professional experience. This can be in your own practice or working for someone else.
You also need to provide details of 2 sponsors to support your application who must, broadly speaking, be CTAs or CCAB members but this is not to qualify your experience as such but to confirm that all the details on the application are correct and that you are a 'fit and proper' person to be considered for membership.