dfs exam weds

jimbob

im panicking about associates now its soooo gonna turn up i just know it. must remember to work out good will and % of profit and leave everything else alone is this right lol

Debs2809

Steve

Whats the difference again with Associates, my head is scrambled!!

Debs

confused!!

Hi You dont have to work out the goodwill on the associate.... Just add it in a line on the Balance sheet i think

mehmet

I posted this earlier in the thread, which should (I hope) answer your query:

SUBSIDIARY

A subsidiary is an entity that is controlled by another entity (IAS 27)

Control is defined as being when the parent(an entity with one or more subsidiaries) has:
-Majority voting shares (more than 51%)
-Right to exercise influence over subsidiary (usually by having an agreement with other investors)
-Controls voting rights
-Parent manages subsidiary
-Parent has ability to appoint and remove directors (usually by having an agreement with other investors)

When consolidating accounts with a subsidiary we need to calculate the;
-goodwill
-consolidated reserves (group retained earnings)
-minority interests.

Then you do a line by line consolidation, adding the subsidiaries figures to the parents to get one total for receivables, PPE, payables, revenue, distribution costs, etc.
Also, you must eliminate all intra-group transactions (in accordance with the single entity concept), e.g, intra-group sales. Also, any unrealised profits must be deducted from any transferred goods which have yet to be sold.

ASSOCIATE

An associate is an entity over which the investor has significant influence. (IAS 28)

The standard makes a presumption that significant influence exists once the investor has at least 20% of the voting rights. Other circumstances where significant influence arises include when the investor is the sole supplier to the entity.

If investor has significant influence, it must use the equity method of accounting in the consolidated accounts:
-In the Profit & Loss account, the investor will put a separate line for it's share of the associate's profits
-In the balance sheet, there will be one line entered, showing the value of investment in the entity. This can be calculated in one of two ways:

• parent's share of net assets plus unamortised goodwill, or
• cost of investment plus any post-acquisition profits

Also, note that the share of post-acquisition profits, less any goodwill impairment will be added to the parent's reserves.

peugeot

Mehmet's reply has covered everything here.

However, as I said earlier sometimes the clue is in the question about whether a company is an associate or a subsidiary of the parent.

Hayden and Seek (H) - holding (S) - subsidiary.

Just look out for the names and the chances are that may give you a hint.

Kind regards
Steve

mehmet

confused!! wrote: »

Hi You dont have to work out the goodwill on the associate.... Just add it in a line on the Balance sheet i think

You need to calculate goodwill if it has been impaired because it will affect the consolidated reserves.

I'm currently doing a consolidated balance sheet based on the data provided in the June 2005 DFS exam. I'm pretty sure it goes beyond the syllabus as it's based on an associate and a subsidiary, but should help you understand what you'd have to do in the exam. Once I've done it I'll upload it here.

jimbob

took me 15 mins to do it however is not easy as you need to hunt for the figures but as long as you remember the following headings should be ok
value of net assets
goodwill
consideration
grooup share of profits
goodwill impairment
total investment

let me know if you agree with that or if i missed summat out
not my best area

Becks2214

Soce

Hi All,

Can anyone help with the Statement of Changes in Equity... i have no idea how to do it and starting to panic now as the exam is tomorrow!!

Thanks

mehmet

Here are my workings. I typed them up in Excel and have taken print screens of them and uploaded them below.

If you need me to explain anything, let me know.

To see them clearly, click on the thumbnail. Then click on the window that pops up. Click on it again, then it will open it in a new window. Then, click on it again and it will zoom in.

jimbob

thats a fairly complex answer 5 times more info than mine and the answers was the same

confused!!

I so hope it only comes up as a wordy question, I cant get my head around this and only have tonight :-(

jimbob

lets all pray its a worded one mr confused
can anyone tell me the difference between equity and capital employed??

mehmet

Equity is the residual interest in the assets of the entity once all it's liabilities have been deducted (IASB Framework).

This is the bottom line in the (UK version) of the Balance sheet. It normally consists of the Share Capital, Share Premium and any Reserves (usually profits, and sometimes revaluation). It is equal to Net Assets (Assets - Liabilities), as defined by the accounting equation.

Capital Employed is the value of the assets that contribute to a company's ability to generate revenue.

It is calculated by adding non-current assets and current assets together, then deducting the current liabilities of the entity.
The shorter, and more often used, way of calculating it is adding Non-Current Liabilities(Debt) to the Equity of the business. This is best explained by expanding the accounting equation:

ASSETS - LIABILITIES = EQUITY

to

(Non-Current Assets + Current Assets) - (Current Liabilities + Non-Current Liabilities) = Equity

if we remove the brackets, we get:

Non-Current Assets + Current Assets - Current Liabilities - Non-Current Liabilities = Equity

then by rearranging to get Capital employed on either side, we get:

Non-Current Assets + Current Assets - Current Liabilities = Non-Current Liabilities + Equity

Midmac

jimbob wrote: »

remember if its a asset - for increase + for decrease
if its a liab then - for decrease and + for increase

I like it, nice and simple. Thanks

bigmuggsy

Re Discussion on Associates/Subsidiaries

Our tutor said that we should only learn the syllabus based on the previous 2 years. As there hasnt been a question on associates in that period am I right in thinking that its unlikely to come up? I know for a fact if it does then myself and alot of other people will come up stuck. Ah well too late now!!!

confused!!

My tutor kind of hinted about associates, so i think it will come up whether it will be a calculation or just maybe to explain what it means or something... or maybe both!

jimbob

do tutors know summat we dont???????????

sebastianforbes

trust me... your tutor doesn't know what's in the paper.

speculation doesn't help anybody :001_tt2:

jimbob

hope your right
still cant take in all the ias's though
guess it just a see what twist turn up in the paper
one of my biggest fears is that the questions will be in accounting standards jargon not plain english

sebastianforbes

maybe, but it won't be worth many points !!!

jimbob

what wont be worth many points

sebastianforbes

any random question which is not frequently examined.

ie. anything on associate companies.

jimbob

aaaaaaahhhhhh i gettya your possibly right

immense

jimbob wrote: »

pec????????????
am i being thick whats that

The post below changed it to pev!