Results exams June 09 Diploma pathway comparison with Distance Learning

LondinaLondina Experienced MentorPosts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
From my provider:

MAC 33
Distance Learning 76%
National 46% :ohmy:

DFS 11
Distance Learning 71%
National 68%

Btax 18
Distance Learning 83%
National 64%

Ptax 19

Distance Learning 98%
National 84%

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  • MWAUGH1983MWAUGH1983 Trusted Regular Posts: 420Registered
    what provider is this with?

    Martin
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    don't know if I can say it...

    anyway it's very surprising how come distance learning students exceed the national (ie colleges?)
  • Portsmouth_AATPortsmouth_AAT Feels At Home Posts: 96Registered
    Im even more supprised I passed MAC now!!! :001_smile:
  • reddwarfreddwarf Experienced Mentor Posts: 528Registered
    I'd like to know how they arrived at these percentages and what level of attritition there is. Did you notice Mac 46% national average!

    My friend has been told by her local college that AAT are making colleges teach more hours (she cited the number of hours but I don't recall), for Diploma to get the pass rate up and that they have no choice but to run the course over two years.

    Has anyone elese heard this?
  • messedup89messedup89 Experienced Mentor Posts: 1,281Registered
    dobbieobby wrote: »
    Home study students do homework, collegues it would appear do not.

    I'm home study :001_tt2:

    Colleges get homework, We do every lesson
  • Portsmouth_AATPortsmouth_AAT Feels At Home Posts: 96Registered
    dobbieobby wrote: »
    Home study students do homework, collegues it would appear do not.

    I'm home study :001_tt2:

    Im afraid i too attend college and get soooooooo much homework!! so thats that theory out the window!! I did pass tho :001_tongue:
  • reddwarfreddwarf Experienced Mentor Posts: 528Registered
    Well I stand 'curtly' corrected by another college - the AAT don't 'dictate' how long it takes for Technician/diploma it's entirely down to the college. :blushing:
  • messedup89messedup89 Experienced Mentor Posts: 1,281Registered
    reddwarf wrote: »
    Well I stand 'curtly' corrected by another college - the AAT don't 'dictate' how long it takes for Technician/diploma it's entirely down to the college. :blushing:

    and the student, and the employer
  • reddwarfreddwarf Experienced Mentor Posts: 528Registered
    Hmm my experience of this being a democratic decision is not the same as yours!!!
  • messedup89messedup89 Experienced Mentor Posts: 1,281Registered
    some colleges say you can do it in 1 year, others 2. Some employers will only let u have so much time off for study each time, this therefore limits the amount of exams you can take at each sitting and therefore affects the time it takes to complete a level. And as for the student, its simply if the pass or fail determines how long it takes them :)
  • RichardRichard Trusted Regular Posts: 373Registered
    I've often wondered how the distance learning training providers determine their results.

    I studied with a well known provider, but sat my exams at a local college, so the exam venue code I entered on my exam paper was the college, not my training provider.

    Therefore, would my results be reported with the training provider, or the college?
  • SandyHoodSandyHood Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 2,034Registered, Moderator
    Richard
    The normal way that results are fedback is through the registration college or provider. For this each student is only registered with one provider, and that provider's pass % is based on how many students registered passed divided by how many were entered.
    I teach PEV PCR and ECR at Chichester College, and at this time of year I will often have students from nearby colleges attending the PEV course in preparation for Dec (or Nov this year) they will typically want to take their exams earlier than there own registration college have timetabled. This will often mean that the actual number of students who have been in my class and have passed differ from the reported results, and nearby colleges could have statistics for students they did not teach.
    The point about distance learning students is a different one, unless AAT collect specific data based on the total number of students entering an exam who have studied using distance learning I don't know how they would know.

    I wonder if the data quoted by Londina may actually be a comparison of AAT results with pass %s produced by the provider themself.
    I certainly do that sometimes based on my revision days. I know how many students attended, and if I find out the number who passed I can compare the pass rate for that class with the exam total pass rate. (Prior to the June 2009 exams, at least 3 revision days produced 100% pass rates, so you can understand that typically these rates are well above the exam pass rates)

    You must bear in mind that my revision candidates have only had my class as an extra help, and are generally at college somewhere or studying with a distance learning provider, so despite very high success rates I cannot take all the credit.
    Sandy
    [email protected]
    www.sandyhood.com
  • BluewednesdayBluewednesday Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,624Registered
    SandyHood wrote: »
    You must bear in mind that my revision candidates have only had my class as an extra help, and are generally at college somewhere or studying with a distance learning provider, so despite very high success rates I cannot take all the credit.

    I think you should take a majority of it along with part of the rest of us that you've helped during the years!
  • reddwarfreddwarf Experienced Mentor Posts: 528Registered
    Thanks for that Sandy, puts these figures in perspective! Also agree with Bluewednesday above!
  • SandyHoodSandyHood Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 2,034Registered, Moderator
    reddwarf
    Just to let you know, 100% success for everyone who attended the revision day you came to.
    Sandy
    [email protected]
    www.sandyhood.com
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    SandyHood wrote: »
    Richard
    I wonder if the data quoted by Londina may actually be a comparison of AAT results with pass %s produced by the provider themself.

    They were Provider's Distance Learning Diploma results in comparison to the AAT average
  • SandyHoodSandyHood Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 2,034Registered, Moderator
    I think that is the only way to do that sort of data.
    I could look at the Chichester College students data in just the same way as any provider can.

    Those who passed divided by those who sat the exam.

    AAT wouldn't necessarily have sufficient details to produce something like that.

    I imagine we know to be wary with statistics, my question on distance learning would be how many of those who signed up were still around and attempted the exam? Quite often students will join a distance learning programme and drop-out before the end.
    Sandy
    [email protected]
    www.sandyhood.com
  • reddwarfreddwarf Experienced Mentor Posts: 528Registered
    Actually I think the attrition percentage would be an interesting number - more indicative of the provider's efficacy!

    Thanks for the info on the revision course Sandy - 100% can't be bad pass rate!!

    Would you pass on congratulations if you can. ta!
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