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Glynis
Glynis Registered Posts: 488 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
I am so fed up its untrue. I have registered with a job agency to get me a job working in practice and they are worse than useless.

The agency have said its because I haven't any practice experience but how do these idiots expect you to get experience when you can't get a job!

The consultant isn't much cop I'm sure they've assigned the office junior to me!

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  • A-Vic
    A-Vic Registered Posts: 6,970 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    unfortunatley its the what comes first the chicken or the egg maybe you might have to look at working in a samll practice to gain the valuble experience needed before you can land that dream job thats what am doing.

    Good luck glynis dont give up :)
  • SandyHood
    SandyHood Registered, Moderator Posts: 2,034 mod
    Glynis
    I have recently found local accountancy practices and firms with accounting departments have lost confidence in agencies. I have been notified about more than 10 job opportunities since September, and put students in touch with the firms advertising.

    I am sure there are good agencies around here, but there seems to be a trend towards colleges as a hunting ground for prospective new members of staff.

    Glynis, perhaps you could see whether your college lecturers are contacted in the same way and ask whether they would recommend you to these employers, or at least provide a reference.
    Sandy
    sandy@sandyhood.com
    www.sandyhood.com
  • donnaalwill
    donnaalwill Registered Posts: 116 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Not good, but with the job market now there is so much competition. I applied for an internal job for an assistant accountant, on the nearly the same level as the employee who was leaving plus 7 years internal experience but as there were fully qualified accountants who applied externally they took the best candidate. They have supported me in my studies but there is an awful lot of competition out there. It will happen, just work hard with your studies and something will come along where you will be able to at least gain some relevant experience. Good luck!
  • lewpylew
    lewpylew Registered Posts: 216 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Hey don't feel down - just keep trying. Send your CV to companies you'd like to work of, try other agencies and even offer to maybe do free work experience to get your foot in the door.

    Good luck hunny and something will come up soon x
  • lizrochford
    lizrochford Registered Posts: 58 Regular contributor ⭐
    Hi Glynis

    Firstly I'd get registered with some more agencies as you should never rely on just one agency. Secondly it can be difficult to get jobs when you have no experience but not impossible. I had to accept a job at the bottom when I first started in accounts and have worked my way up. Thirdly don't be put off by what they tell you, keep applying and soemthing will come up. Good luck.

    Liz
    x
  • Bluewednesday
    Bluewednesday Registered Posts: 1,624 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    Whereabouts are you based Glynis? That might help if somebody knows of anything.
  • blobbyh
    blobbyh Registered Posts: 2,415 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    Glynis wrote: Β»
    ...they are worse than useless.

    ...how do these idiots expect you to get experience when you can't get a job!

    The consultant isn't much cop I'm sure they've assigned the office junior to me!

    I work for a recruitment agency Glynis and if an attitude like the one you've displayed above carried through to your conversations with them, then you have your answer. Good consultants can see straight through bad candidates. And having followed your "answers NOW!!!" posts over the last few weeks and months, I expect you only registered last week...

    I'd imagine 99% of accountancy employers go to agencies to get experienced staff, rarely trainees, either to provide short to medium term cover for absent staff e.g. maternity leave or to permanently fulfill a newly created role. Both generally require real world experience.

    I'd best stop here because I could get really steamed up with your seemingly never ending lack of insight where nothing is ever your own fault..
  • truecockney
    truecockney Registered Posts: 94 Regular contributor ⭐
    Many employers (especially in the current climate) will be on the look out for people with practical experience as there are so many new job seekers.

    If it's any consolation, when I began my job-hunt, I had registered with many agencies (had to be in the region of 20) and had in excess of 50 interviews before getting my first job. Around half of the feedback I received was that I hadn't had the relevant experience (and that was after seeing my CV) and this was about 9 years ago. I eventually found a company who was willing to take a chance on me and not loked back since.

    Certainly register with some other agencies (even if they are smaller ones). But have you thought about trying to get some practice in with local charity shops, offering your work for free (even if it is basic bookkeeping)?
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 354 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Practical experience is the name of the game I'm afraid Glynnis.

    Accountancy is a very popular profession and you will face very stiff competition for even the most basic accounts jobs.

    As painful as this may sound, I'm afraid to say there will be no quick fixes to your difficulties when trying to find employment and you will have to lower your sights until you have proven yourself in a work environment.

    Many people are AAT qualified yet still don't have the job they desire, myself included.

    The issue of practical experience is a real problem for many hardworking AAT students and I've long thought this is an issue the association needs to address directly. It's just a shame AAT students don't have more of a public voice to express these concerns collectively in order for the AAT to take this issue more seriously.

    The AAT course is an excellent introduction to the world of accountancy and provides a solid practical understanding. However, the AAT are letting students down by not offering more guidance and support when students attempt to make the transition from classroom to the workplace.
  • Steve Collings
    Steve Collings Registered Posts: 997 Epic contributor 🐘
    Glynis,

    No disrespect intended, but what positions in practice have you told the recruitment consultants you want to be considered for? It may be that you need to reconsider the roles you want to be put forward for. I recall a time when you said that you wanted to work in audit following your simulation. However audit is becoming more of a specialism now rather than a normal general practice duty and with increased compliance issues in general practice auditing, firms are wanting to recruit experienced audit staff rather than trainee vacancies.

    Additionally, you might want to consider that in general practice, this is now our busiest time with the tax season in full flow and the self-assessment deadline coming ever closer so most firms have more than likely put a hold on recruitment until things die down.

    Don't give up though Glynis - I am sure you will get there.

    Kind regards
    Steve
  • Glynis
    Glynis Registered Posts: 488 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Thank you to everyone for your advice except blobby, how dare you make unsubstantiated comments about me.
    I have also seen your other offensive threads referring to me.

    I have never made any undue demands so you are wrong there. I am horrified at your outburst towards my thread. And you need not hold back either young man because you don't intimadate me!
  • MWAUGH1983
    MWAUGH1983 Registered Posts: 420 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    glynis wrote: Β»
    thank you to everyone for your advice except blobby, how dare you make unsubstantiated comments about me.
    I have also seen your other offensive threads referring to me.

    I have never made any undue demands so you are wrong there. I am horrified at your outburst towards my thread. And you need not hold back either young man because you don't intimadate me!


    well said!!!!
  • blobbyh
    blobbyh Registered Posts: 2,415 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    The quotes in my post were from your own opening post Glynis so they were hardly unsubstantiated. And you've never made any undue demands? Well, I beg to differ there. Everyone who ever read your long "I've failed DFS" whinge followed by your even longer "My audit tutor is useless" rant will know EXACTLY what I mean. Everyone apart from MWAUGH that is.

    Since you joined the forum Glynis, all you've ever been in many people's eyes is negative and whiny. If you put as much energy into positivity instead of negativity I have no doubt you'd be in a much better situation than you currently find yourself in. You've taken so much from these forums and given little in return so how about helping some of the other struggling students on here now that it's mission accomplished for you?
  • Glynis
    Glynis Registered Posts: 488 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Yes I did think I failed DFS and yes my audit tutor was useless but those weren't demands so you are wrong again. I object to you saying I am whiney at least I am not offensive.
    And how have I taken so much? What are the forums for? Asking questions? Getting advice?
    Yes
  • oh confused one
    oh confused one Registered Posts: 128 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Glynis wrote: Β»
    I am so fed up its untrue. I have registered with a job agency to get me a job working in practice and they are worse than useless.

    The agency have said its because I haven't any practice experience but how do these idiots expect you to get experience when you can't get a job!

    The consultant isn't much cop I'm sure they've assigned the office junior to me!

    Hi there I work for an accountancy practice and we recruit through the local colleges normally so maybe thats a good place to start - also I don't know what area you are in but there are a few good agencies round here pm me if you like if you are in a similar area i might know one you haven't tried
  • Sue
    Sue Registered Posts: 217 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    No surprise I’m sure, I agree with Robert on this one.

    But to hijack the thread (sorry) – Mark you said it was a shame AAT students don’t have more of a public voice. I recently contacted the AAT to suggest all Students and Members were surveyed for their opinion on the service we receive from them and my response was that they do survey a sample of the Membership, although they weren’t able to tell me where the surveys were published.

    They did ask me for feedback on topics/subjects I thought should be included on a survey, so I’m happy to go back to them with any serious items you think should be included on a survey.
  • welshboy
    welshboy Registered Posts: 82 Regular contributor ⭐
    I'm afraid I have to also agree with Robert.
  • kevinb
    kevinb Registered Posts: 8 New contributor 🐸
    Glynis wrote: Β»
    Yes I did think I failed DFS and yes my audit tutor was useless but those weren't demands so you are wrong again. I object to you saying I am whiney at least I am not offensive.
    And how have I taken so much? What are the forums for? Asking questions? Getting advice?
    Yes

    Yes the forums are for asking questions but your questions and comments do often have a whiney tinge to them.

    If your questions were worded a bit more constructively you may well find that you receive more constructive answers.

    Just an observation...
  • messedup89
    messedup89 Registered Posts: 1,281 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    Glynis wrote: Β»
    Yes I did think I failed DFS and yes my audit tutor was useless but those weren't demands so you are wrong again. I object to you saying I am whiney at least I am not offensive.
    And how have I taken so much? What are the forums for? Asking questions? Getting advice?
    Yes

    yes the forums are for getting advice and people are more than happy to help you out. But with all the help you get i think one thing robert is saying is wouldn't it be nice if you could help out some students in return? Give a little back
  • Londina
    Londina Registered Posts: 814 Epic contributor 🐘
    blobbyh wrote: Β»
    The quotes in my post were from your own opening post Glynis so they were hardly unsubstantiated. And you've never made any undue demands? Well, I beg to differ there. Everyone who ever read your long "I've failed DFS" whinge followed by your even longer "My audit tutor is useless" rant will know EXACTLY what I mean. Everyone apart from MWAUGH that is.

    Since you joined the forum Glynis, all you've ever been in many people's eyes is negative and whiny. If you put as much energy into positivity instead of negativity I have no doubt you'd be in a much better situation than you currently find yourself in. You've taken so much from these forums and given little in return so how about helping some of the other struggling students on here now that it's mission accomplished for you?

    I admire you Blobbyh!!
  • James Cristiano
    James Cristiano Unregistered / Not Logged In Posts: 48 Regular contributor ⭐
    Direction of this thread...

    Dear AAT forum users

    It has been brought to our attention that this thread has offended at least one of our users.

    Can i please ask that the general tone of this thread be 'mellowed down', so to speak, otherwise we shall have to remove it.

    Please remember, different people have different thresholds of what they would consider to be offensive. If in doubt, please 'go without'!

    Kind Regards,
    James, AAT Web Team
  • blobbyh
    blobbyh Registered Posts: 2,415 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    Did this thread really need the intervention of an administrator? It's not even remotely what I would call offensive and if someone is going to hit the 'Report' button every time they read something they don't like then I seriously suggest they "grow some". And if it's who I suspect it is, then maybe they should self moderate the tone of their own posts in future by not making controversial comments about other people's line of work. If you write inflammatory comments, expect to be flamed back.

    Hitting the panic button so quickly will stifle reasoned debate, lead to neutered conversation and remove much of the 'pressure release humour', all things the forum regulars among us would hate to see happen.
  • Marga
    Marga Registered Posts: 981 Epic contributor 🐘
    Londina wrote: Β»
    I admire you Blobbyh!!


    hey i love your signature!!!!
  • anniem
    anniem Registered Posts: 1,326 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    Hi Glynis

    I have been following your various threads and I can't help noticing that you generally seem fairly 'bogged off' about something or other!

    Also upon looking at your profile I notice that it's had 252 visits since you joined in May 2009.

    Perhaps I'm boring, but since joining in June 2008 my page has only had 108 visits!

    I can't help wondering what makes people so interested to find out more about you?

    Just an observation - not a criticism. (We forum users are a bit concerned about what to write now lest we get reported!!!!!!)

    Annie x
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
  • Londina
    Londina Registered Posts: 814 Epic contributor 🐘
    Marga wrote: Β»
    hey i love your signature!!!!

    Thanks!! You know...it’s an accrued word....

    anniem wrote: Β»
    Perhaps I'm boring, but since joining in June 2008 my page has only had 108 visits! I can't help wondering what makes people so interested to find out more about you? Annie x

    I usually visit other pages in order to find out what advices others gave or received in their posts. Unfortunately not everybody gives one.
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