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GlynisGlynis Trusted RegularRegistered Posts: 488
I have now recovered from my earlier stress and now want to go forward with my career. I really want to work in an audit role. How can you advise me to do this?

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  • JuliaJulia Feels At Home Registered Posts: 78
    Glynis I have read a few of your posts and Steve has gone out of his way to give you the advice you need. Steve is a truly remarkable and patient person and I - as a tutor who has to be patient, do feel you are taking the proverbial.

    I don't feel audit is the right career for you based on your constant questions and your seemingly unhealthy obsession with Steve. I think growing up is in order first!
  • RowanBRowanB Well-Known Registered Posts: 158
    Glynis. All the best of luck. Don't let people on here put you down. If you show strength you will probably turn things around. Glad to hear you are already feeling less stressed. :)

    I have to say, whilst there are some really nice people on this forum, I wouldn't rely too heavily on it as a means of getting advice on how to resolve certain issues, as unfortunately, a lot of people here aren't so nice, and for some perverse reason, will even try and 'rub salt into the wound'. Don't take what is said on here too seriously.
  • RinskeRinske Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,453
    It is good news that you recovered from your stress Glynis.

    I suppose the best way to go now is to write a number of auditors in the area with your CV and a covering letter explaining that you would really like to work in audit and why.

    However, please keep in mind that the current job market is not great, so it might take some time and extra effort before you get a foot in the door anywhere. Which is not to discourage you, but just an warning.

    Another thing is writing all the agencies although I think you've tried that already. Chasing the agencies might help. Keep calling them, so they don't forget you!

    Keep an eye online and in the paper for any jobs in auditor firms, I won't say get the first job available, but it might be a good start to get any job they got, so you can then apply while you are already working there when they got an audit job available. By then they know you and what you can do, which is a big plus in getting the job you want.

    Good luck, I do hope it works out for you!
  • Ed1Ed1 Feels At Home Registered Posts: 51
    Has Steve not responded with a personally tailored career timeline yet?

    Glynis, I suggest you start another thread to get his attention.
  • Gill GittingsGill Gittings Well-Known Registered Posts: 121
    Steve is probably so fed up of these threads no wonder he hasn't replied! Anyone would get sick of constant mither. Sorry glynis but I think you feel Steve is here as your personal adviser.
  • Steve CollingsSteve Collings Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 997
    Glynis

    I'm not sure what else I can advise you to do. Other people have also added their thoughts on how you should progress your career in auditing. The advice I have already given to you is still relevant.

    Regards
    Steve
  • sdvsdv Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 585
    Hi Glynis

    I am sorry I am not Steve and therefore I should not be posting on this thread.

    But I can't resist asking what was the out come of your thread "fall out with auditors"

    How were the indifferences sorted and what was the outcome of a meeting with your Manager on Monday morning?

    I look forward to read and learn from your experience.

    Glynis wrote: »
    I really want to work in an audit role. How can you advise me to do this?

    As I see it you have two choices:

    EITHER you work for a larger organisation such as NHS, Beechams, ICI, BAE, Cadburys, ........
    which will have an internal audit department. You need to apply to their HR departments and get in touch with the manager in charge of internal auditor. show him your interest and enthusiasm to work in an audit department. This would be the best option from the workload, pressure to perform and remuneration point of view.

    OR apply to the practicing accountants firm. But with this option you are more likely to start at the bottom (a huge cut in pay). This has many advantages both for you and your employer. You will learn the basics and see how it works in action instead of learning the theory. Your achieving AAT qualifications will help you to step upwards much faster then otherwise.

    Unfortunately, the employer will need to be satisfied of your competency to meet the required quality of an audit, before you are let out on your own for an audit.

    Further, you will be the representative of your company and your employers will need to more then satisfied that their representative will act in a professional manner at all time.

    which ever option you decide to take, you will be starting at the bottom and with a real cut in pay. I suspect you may have a higher expectation from an audit job (because of your current/past positions and work experience) then what you are likely to be offered in terms of pay, responsibility and authority.

    you will have to be really wanting to be an auditor to sacrifice what have presently.
  • RacheyRachey Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 589
    Glynis wrote: »
    I have now recovered from my earlier stress and now want to go forward with my career. I really want to work in an audit role. How can you advise me to do this?

    Out of curiosity i have browsed through the audit jobs in my area and they are all very high salaries (Over 30k). This implies that either an education higher than AAT or a huge experience section on your CV will be required. I read in an earlier thread that you have a long experience in the accounts department, but it isnt audit related. This will mean starting from the bottom and working your way up. However, easier said than done. I cannot seem to find a starting point!

    I wish you the best of luck.

    I will refrain from using any naughty words today as i'm not quite as bored as last night, i'm happily watching football today. Hahahaha...
  • Gem7321Gem7321 Experienced Mentor DevonMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 1,438
    Where I work (in practice) it tends to only be ACA/ACCA students who start on audits as juniors, when they are qualified and appropriately trained they will be promoted to audit senior and it is a LONG time before being promoted to audit manager.

    As previous posters have said, you have to really want to do it. You will be starting as a junior and this may be difficult for you if you are established in your current role. You may also have to come to terms with the fact that you're senior could well be a qualified 22 year old.

    Best of luck
  • mark057mark057 Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 354
    I think given your earlier posts berating the difficulty of the AAT auditing unit, it seems a little odd you want to specialise in audit work.

    To be honest Glynis I would not pigeon hole your career. Be open minded and look at all your options.

    Without experience its going to be hard to get anywhere in auditing. The job market conditions are poor and competition is fierce.

    I'd be grateful you are at least working in accounts and studying towards ACCA.
  • PGMPGM Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,954
    Glynis wrote: »
    I have now recovered from my earlier stress and now want to go forward with my career. I really want to work in an audit role. How can you advise me to do this?

    Why the career change? From previous threads its clear you've had issues in your current role, are you wanting a career change to get away from this? Because that's probably be the wrong reason to move.
  • Steve CollingsSteve Collings Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 997
    Glynis,

    Did you ask your auditors about their roles and the work they perform? Please do not think I am being disrespectful, I am most definitely not - but some aspects of audit, particularly at entry level, are extremely boring and monotonous.

    I know people who have entered the auditing profession,thinking they will progress to audit senior then manager in a matter of months and have become extremely disheartened when the work they are given amounts to basic audit work. As other contributors have said, regardless of your industry experience or years of accountancy experience, company audit work is a whole new ball game and you will start at the bottom.

    As Gem7321 correctly says, it can take years to move up the ladder in public practice, especially in an audit department because when you get to the top, you tend to stay put as it has taken such a long time to get there!

    Best of luck with your applications.

    Steve
  • AK002AK002 Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,492
    Gem7321 wrote: »
    Where I work (in practice) it tends to only be ACA/ACCA students who start on audits as juniors, when they are qualified and appropriately trained they will be promoted to audit senior and it is a LONG time before being promoted to audit manager.

    I seem to have really landed on my feet then... i'm in practice too and have been started now as an audit junior.. I'm only AAT intermediate :)
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 814
    Glynis wrote: »
    I really want to work in an audit role. How can you advise me to do this?

    I thought you wanted to work in practice? now in audit? what's next?
  • A-VicA-Vic Expertise Guaranteed Registered Posts: 6,970
    bloody ell londina this thread dead a natural death 4 days ago
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 814
    A-Vic wrote: »
    bloody ell londina this thread dead a natural death 4 days ago


    ah ok I didn't know...I'm not logged here all the time....oh well at the next episode :-)
  • GlynisGlynis Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 488
    I find it amazing how my career aspireations can be the subject of everyones put downs. I am struggling to get what I want and come here for support not to be dragged down and pulically humiliated by certain members on here who think they own the dam site blobby and co!
    If you cannot offer me any constructive advice then DON'T BOTHER!
  • Claire321Claire321 Well-Known Registered Posts: 209
    Hi Glynis,

    I think some of the people who have posted find it difficult to understand why you want to work in audit, as you didn't enjoy the AAT auditing module, not necessarily meaning to put your career aspirations down.

    Good luck with your job hunting.
  • blobbyhblobbyh Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,415
    Glynis, I hadn't even posted on this thread but now you've chosen to mention me anyway, I'm absolutely amazed - and clearly not the only one - that not only did you struggle with the audit module, not only were you amazingly rude to the people who came to audit you a few weeks ago and how you quickly resorted to very unprofessional personal remarks and insinuations about them, not only did you completely fail to seize the opportunity to put into practice anything you'd learnt when you had the opportunity to, but you now hold this ridiculous idea you want to work in audit when you quite clearly lack any capability of being able to do so.

    At times, I genuinely do feel sorry for the some of flak you receive on here but then I only have to read some of your spiteful comments about the people you encounter in your working life to remind me you deserve every harsh word and yet totally fail to grasp the reasons why.
  • RowanBRowanB Well-Known Registered Posts: 158
    Glynis. People on here don't even know you, but that won't stop them expressing their judgmental perceptions of what your shortcomings are for whatever obscure motives they have.

    One positive step you should probably make towards regaining focus on your career, is not visiting this forum.
  • PGMPGM Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,954
    RowanB wrote: »
    One positive step you should probably make towards regaining focus on your career, is not visiting this forum.

    I think thats a harsh comment, considering the amount of effort people have put into giving advice.
  • mini_schnauzermini_schnauzer Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 347
    Why post a question on a public forum if you don't want public answers?
    If the question was for Steve and Steve alone, why did you not send him a private message. You then would have had none of the comments that you have.
    Simple really.
  • RowanBRowanB Well-Known Registered Posts: 158
    PGM wrote: »
    I think thats a harsh comment, considering the amount of effort people have put into giving advice.

    Sorry. A lot of people probably have given good advice, but I was thinking overall, comments might have a negative mental effect.
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    From what i have read in previous posts, a lot of people have been more than helpful, on more than one occasion. The original negative responses often come from the OP herself! When you have gone out of your way to be helpful to people, and they slap you down, it is human nature to be annoyed. Blimey, i was getting annoyed just reading them!!

    Although i am sure many people on here are more than happy to give their experiences, the people that use this forum as students and those like Steve and Sandy, are not paid or obligated to respond or provide advice, and then when they do and they are told their advice is not adequate, I think it is extremly rude. Simply thank the person and seek clarification elsewhere. Google is a wonderful thing.

    This is a forum for people seeking advice on the AAT, clarification on subjects studied, and sometimes on 'life after the AAT' (unless I have got the wrong end of the proverbial stick, then i do appologise) - it is not 'ask a question and i will tell you what to do', sometimes all people can do is point you in the a direction to get the research, or give you a fresh view point on a subject.

    Now Glynis, i am sure that you will read this post and i do hope that none of it offends you, please understand this advice is given not for recrimination, but that in order to survive in life you need to take a step back and look at yourself first, before blaming others. Some people are difficult to deal with, yes, but there are often ways that you can adapt your behaviour so that your level of stress when dealing with that person is reduced.

    Good luck in the future.
  • PGMPGM Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,954
    RowanB wrote: »
    Sorry. A lot of people probably have given good advice, but I was thinking overall, comments might have a negative mental effect.

    Thats the problem with forums, got to ask yourself if you want all your issues to go public :D

    Still, its better to take a beating on here than in the workplace!
  • CriggersCriggers Feels At Home Registered Posts: 53
    PGM wrote: »
    Still, its better to take a beating on here than in the workplace!

    Receive beating here on the forums - check.
    But only after beating on the auditors in your work place - check.


    Fantastic, we're good to go.
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