Paper VAT registration - new 64-8?

Sorry silly question alert!
I am completing a paper VAT registration for a client and will submit to HMRC with a coverling letter as we will be applying for the FRS at the same time. Do I need to include a 64-8 just for VAT or will they automatically register agent details if I include relevant details in the covering letter? If I need a 64-8 do I need to wait until we know the VAT registration number or can I submit it as not yet known?
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I am completing a paper VAT registration for a client and will submit to HMRC with a coverling letter as we will be applying for the FRS at the same time. Do I need to include a 64-8 just for VAT or will they automatically register agent details if I include relevant details in the covering letter? If I need a 64-8 do I need to wait until we know the VAT registration number or can I submit it as not yet known?
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Hope that helps
I would also wait until I have the VAT number before sending the 64-8 as the VAT office tend to just send it on to Longbenton without logging anything.
Dean that's interesting that it's quicker to wait for the VAT reg then submit the VAT600FRS. In that case I think I will do the registration online after all.
Thanks again