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Temps

MWAUGH1983MWAUGH1983 Trusted RegularRegistered Posts: 420
Hi.

Just wondered are temps classed as not being employed by the organisation the work for or is it employment on a temp basis?

Cheers
Martin

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  • zaf1987zaf1987 Well-Known Registered Posts: 124
    If you went through an agency then your most likely employed by the agency, and not by the organisation.
  • wbauk2002wbauk2002 Well-Known Registered Posts: 110
    There are different methods they use.

    My current job I'm employed by agency and have to give notice etc
  • Bookworm55Bookworm55 Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 479
    MWAUGH1983 wrote: »
    Hi.

    Just wondered are temps classed as not being employed by the organisation the work for or is it employment on a temp basis?

    Cheers
    Martin

    Not classed as employees for what purpose? They aren't counted for redundancy purposes. Notice and holiday periods can be different to 'regular' employees. Is there anything in particular you're looking for?
  • MWAUGH1983MWAUGH1983 Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 420
    Bookworm55 wrote: »
    Not classed as employees for what purpose? They aren't counted for redundancy purposes. Notice and holiday periods can be different to 'regular' employees. Is there anything in particular you're looking for?[/QUOTE

    Just that in experience of working with temps they seem to get all the easy jobs because they aren't employed - though they get paid more than permanent staff!
  • Jo ClarkJo Clark Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,525
    MWAUGH1983 wrote: »
    Bookworm55 wrote: »
    Not classed as employees for what purpose? They aren't counted for redundancy purposes. Notice and holiday periods can be different to 'regular' employees. Is there anything in particular you're looking for?[/QUOTE

    Just that in experience of working with temps they seem to get all the easy jobs because they aren't employed - though they get paid more than permanent staff!


    Hello Martin

    Are you sure they are paid more than the permanent staff and get all the easy jobs? Could it be that the amount you have seen is the amount paid to the agency, which is not what the temp receives. The temp receives an hourly rate lower than what the agency charges as the agency quite rightly makes deductions from the amount they charge the employer to provide the temp.

    I have a friend who works as a temp and she is paid less that those staff who are doing the same job on a permanent basis. The agency she is/was? with for one of her placements had a scheme in place that enabled them to accrue paid holiday (I think) and other benefits.

    I guess it could be that some temps are paid the same to make up for the lack of sick/holiday pay and other benefits.

    Where is blobbyh as I'm sure he will give a better response than I have.


    JC
    ~ An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest ~
    Benjamin Franklin
  • janwaljanwal Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 1,189
    Hi Martin

    I agree with what Jo says, there has been lots of temps passed throught the Hospital I work at, the figure on the invoice is no where near the salary they are paid. As for the easy jobs the ones we have employed in our dept have had to do just as much work as we do, ok they tend to get a lot of the mundane jobs, like filing etc, but would not say it was easy.

    Jan
  • uknittyuknitty Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 591
    In the world of high street recruitment at the very least temps most certainly do not get paid more than permies. (In niche recruitment this will be the exact opposite because employers will be looking for someone with a very unique specialist skill set to come in and complete a particular project)

    Remember the cost of employing a member of staff does not just include their hourly rate. The *actual* cost to an employer is made up of both Gross Pay & Employers NI contributions. Employers NI is (for the sake of simplicity) in the region of 13%.

    On top of this the agency will also charge a fee - It may be fixed or variable. The % fee charged could be anywhere between 10% - 30 % (of course there are always going to be exceptions to this so not saying this is an absolute - just a guideline). Bear in mind that in the world of temporary recruitment for this % fee the agency remain responsible for processing the payroll every week, making the BACS transfer to staff, making sure that tax and NI is paid over to HMRC and that in year movements are recorded (which in the world of temporary work can be a never ending task.....)so it is definitely *not* just a quick buck for introducing candidate A to employer B.

    I've been in temporary work for almost 4 years. Temps almost never have access to the same benefits that permies do. Temps almost always tend to be outside the scope of any performance related pay bonuses, and rarely will be entitled to pension or healthcare.

    If you know of an agency that pays more to do your job than your current employer does why don't you sign up with the agency and go work through them ?
  • Jo ClarkJo Clark Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,525
    Well said uknitty! :D

    How did your top up exam go?
    ~ An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest ~
    Benjamin Franklin
  • MWAUGH1983MWAUGH1983 Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 420
    From my understanding temps get paid more as a rule; but the point in the organisation will pay a fee to the agency so why not get the best use of that service? Just a temp was there for 6 mths and didnt answer one phone call and got all the fluffy jobs - not my idea of teamwork!
  • MarkTMarkT Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 302
    Martin,

    How about a different aspect of being a temp?

    I don't answer calls as that was not part of my remit. My hourly rate seemed more but then I was canned by the company with a weeks notice and no guarantee from the agency of further work after that.

    There is nothing glamourous about temping, believe me, I'd give my left arm for a full time job (hell, I'd do it for a temp job right now) If you have a job at this point in time, say thank you and carry on :wink:
  • Bookworm55Bookworm55 Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 479
    In my current role, I was a temp for six months before I was directly employed by the company. I would say that, in my first few weeks as a temp, I was given a lot of easy-but-boring stuff. By which I mean things like doing everyone's filing rather than each person doing their own. That could probably have been equally true if I was a new permanent (or probationary). But it's just as likely they took on a temp to handle basic duties, and they have less incentive to take on tasks outside of their strict remit. (A permanent employee who takes on additional duties may b able to parlay that into a promotion or payrise)

    As for the pay thing, I was paid a slightly better hourly rate as a temp but got much worse benefits. Less holiday and no pension are the main things. I've also had MarkT's experience of being a long-term temp and asked to stop coming in with no notice. Harsh, but not technically anything wrong with them doing it.
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