Important for all MIPs! Please read.

Monsoon
Monsoon Font Of All KnowledgeFMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 4,071
Following on from this thread, there was a discussion on a group Consumer Credit Licence for AAT MIPs.

If you are a MIP, you need this. You might not know that you need it, but unless you are one of the lucky few who get paid on time, every time, you need this.

Dean explains it in the linked thread
The rule is actually that you are not allowed to offer credit terms exceeding 3 months without having a consumer credit licence which is very costly.

Anyone billing annually but allowing their clients to pay monthly is at risk of default if at any time your client is more than 3 months payments in arrears.

I would wager there are a lot of people in this position, particularly after the first invoice is raised.

ICAEW and ACCA have group consumer credit licenses so automatically cover every member.

I brought this to the attention of the AAT who chose to [take] no action.

I then emailed the AAT and today received an email.
Monsoon wrote: »
Update:

I have received the following reply from the AAT:

Thanks for the email. There is currently a discussion about a group licence for our members in practice. At this stage no decision has been made if it will be pursued. If we do decide to pursue this it will be advertised to our members in practice.


This is an important decision and any MIP who has people who pay late (that probably means all of us!) should let the AAT know they really want this to be approved.

Please tell the AAT that you support the approval of a group CCL. A quick email to [email protected] is all that is needed.

This is your professional body and you pay your fees and they work for you. Please take a minute to do this.

Thank you.

Comments

  • jamesm96
    jamesm96 Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 523
    Done. And thanks for the extremely useful summary of the situation!
  • burg
    burg Experienced Mentor GloucesterModerator, FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 1,441
    Done
    Regards,

    Burg
  • Newbie
    Newbie Well-Known Registered Posts: 229
    done
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Font Of All Knowledge FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 4,071
    Thanks guys :D
  • Natsmomma
    Natsmomma Feels At Home Registered Posts: 39
    Done

    This will benefit us all. Thanks for bringing it to our attention Monsoon.
  • anniem
    anniem Experienced Mentor Pewsey, WiltshireRegistered Posts: 1,326
    Quite shocked at this. Email sent to membership support!
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
  • Chubble69
    Chubble69 Just Joined Registered Posts: 6
    Also really shocked at this - E-mail sent tonight!!
    Monsoon - I think an article by you on this would be good for the next technician Magazine.... however somehow i do not feel it would actually get included!
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Font Of All Knowledge FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 4,071
    Chubble69 wrote: »
    Also really shocked at this - E-mail sent tonight!!
    Monsoon - I think an article by you on this would be good for the next technician Magazine.... however somehow i do not feel it would actually get included!
    Oh, good thinking!

    I feel a personal blog post coming on :)
  • JodieR
    JodieR Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 1,002
    done
  • Fingersan
    Fingersan Feels At Home Registered Posts: 84
    Done.... better late than never!
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Font Of All Knowledge FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 4,071
    Thanks guys.... And...


    BUMP!
  • pirate
    pirate Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 469
    Done
  • StuartW
    StuartW Online Community Manager LondonRegistered Posts: 472
    Hi all,

    Having fed back to the Members in Practice team regarding this thread, below there's an update from them regarding the issues raised:

    "Thank you for your comments and emails regarding a Group Consumer Credit Licence (Group Licence).

    "In 2009, we investigated the feasibility of the AAT obtaining a Group Licence. We canvassed the opinions of MIPs by including an article in The Professional. Only a handful of MIPs indicated an interest at that time, which meant that it was cheaper for those MIPs to obtain their own Consumer Credit Licence, rather than for AAT to obtain a Group Licence and pass on the costs to the minority of MIPs who felt that they needed a Consumer Credit Licence.

    "In addition to the fee payable to the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) there would also have been the cost to AAT of operating the Group Licence, whereby to satisfy the OFT’s requirements the AAT would have been required to carry out 'fit and proper' tests on all MIPs covered by the Group Licence.

    "It is our understanding that the overwhelming majority of MIPs do not need to have a Consumer Credit Licence. However, we are checking our understanding of the requirements with the OFT and taking legal advice.

    "Once we have clarified our understanding of the requirements of the Consumer Credit Act we will again canvass views by inviting MIPs to determine whether or not they actually need a Consumer Credit Licence, and if so, to express an interest in obtaining a Group Licence."
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Font Of All Knowledge FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 4,071
    Thanks for the feedback Stuart.

    One thing I would ask is that, when they canvas views from MIPs, that they ask not in terms of "do you want a Group CCL" which most people will probably ignore or not think is relevant, but in terms of "do you offer payment terms [detail terms that require CCL here]"

    As I recall, when they last canvassed, Dean said it was hard to notice and thus low response.

    I look forward to the follow up to this :)
  • deanshepherd
    deanshepherd Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,809
    ^^Absolutely. The last 'canvassing' was a joke and I lost a big chunk of respect for the AAT at that point.

    I would also be interesting in re-reading the article that Stuart mentioned if anyone has a link? (Or has retained that copy of the magazine).
  • LynWest
    LynWest Well-Known Registered Posts: 122
    Thanks Monsoon for bringing this to our attention.

    I also agree with your comment re canvassing. If i was asked do i want to chip in for a group CCL i would most probably think that doesn't apply to me. However, when you explained about offering monthly terms to clients, i'm kind of thinking poo, i think i definately need one of those!
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