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  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    Don't they give you a %?

    p.s. Also I thought you could get a marked paper returned (after several months), or is that the Sims?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    I haven't heard anything about getting a % but if I find out anything at college on monday I'll let you know.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    Don't be too surprised to hear that I have received AAT skills tests before, which have come with correction sheets. It is possible that the AAT proof readers actually missed what sounds like an error in the paper. I am an Advanced Certificate student so I did not sit your IAC paper but I suggest you all write to the AAT voicing your concerns and they may well consider this when they mark your papers.

    I have written to them complaining about the invidulators mobile that when off during our exam and also about the fact that for those sitting their exams at Loftus Road Stadium (BPP London) we couldn;t actually see our papers by about 4pm because the room was so poorly lit it was like working in the dark.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    I too thought the question about the payment dates was straight forward.
    An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day of the month following the invoice date.
    So it will be paid in the month following the invoice date, which was December. So that means it will be paid in January, on the 30th.
    Why is there discussion about a comma? Am I missing something?
    This may sound harsh but this was an exam. An examination of our knowledge. I saw past papers as a way of testing my knowledge, not as a way of guessing which bits I should or shouldn't revise.
    As for the layout. Just read the questions! What are you going to do at work when the information presented doesn't look like an AAT past paper!
    Question 2.8 was really inexcusable. I read and read it because I thought 'surely there can't be an error in an exam paper' I mean how was it checked? But did some people really go back and change there debit and credits?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    the question about when to pay the invoices is about how it was interpreted by students hence the bad wording of the question in the first place.
    Should be paid on the 30th day of the month following the invoice date ( which you say is the 1st Dec ) can also be interpreted as paying the invoice on the 30th December. Like i say the question was badly written and has led students to interpret it differently. Just my opinion,we will have to wait and see what comments come from the AAT regarding the exam.

    Chris
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    I too thought the question about the payment dates was straight forward.
    An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day of the month following the invoice date.
    So it will be paid in the month following the invoice date, which was December. So that means it will be paid in January, on the 30th.
    Why is there discussion about a comma? Am I missing something?

    I think you might be missing something. Your wording sounds very much like it was in the paper, and equally as confusing. If you have the wording right, then ponder...

    'An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day of the month following the invoice date.'

    Without a comma, this on its own is ambiguous.

    'An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day of the month, following the invoice date.'

    Would have meant 30th December.

    'An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day, of the month following the invoice date.'

    Would have meant 30th January.

    Anyhow, I agree with you, that it would have been the 30th January (but only because 'you are to assume today is 30th November' [page 1 Assumptions], and you could not have scheduled another of the payments (the 2nd one, of the 4) for a date that has past. So that having set a convention, I could deduce at the answer for the 4th one (the CHAPS payment).

    As mentioned though, this means you made the CHAPS payment two months after the invoice date. In the real world would sit on an invoice for two months, only to pay a £40-50 CHAPS fee to rush a same day payment through?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    I agree that 'An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day of the month, following the invoice date' Would have meant it would be paid on the 30th December.
    You also say that if it had meant for it to be paid the 30th January it should have read 'An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day, of the month following the invoice date' but the comma in this sentence is unnecessary.
    Surely it is the fact that the words 'month' and 'following' are together (not separated by a comma) in the sentence that is important.
    Are there any experts on the English language out there? lol
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    the december 06 exams are now online

    also just incase people hadnt noticed the aat are doing a survey as to what people thought of the exam.. probably a good way to let them know your opinions! :roll:
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    Actually, looking att eh paper, the wording is not as above.

    It is for example...

    'Payments to suppliers will be made in the following way:
    ...
    ...
    ...
    £25,000 and over By CHAPS On the 30th of the month following invoice date'

    I'm not a linguist either, but I still say it needs a comma in there somewhere.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    Students looking for the discussion of the PLB exam may wish to click this hyperlink
    https://www.aat.org.uk/forums/posts/list/14063.page

    This thread, 'Exam', is actually discussing the IAC exam (for Diploma pathway).

    The questions being discussed did not necessarily appear in the PLB exam.

    So, PLB students try not to panic or be overly concerned... 8)
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    The comma should be between month and following (Month, following)
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    Genie wrote:
    £25,000 and over By CHAPS On the 30th of the month following invoice date'

    NO! There doesn't need to be a comma! The term quoted above is quite common, it just seems to be that you are unfamiliar with it.

    Alternative wordings for these credit terms are;
    30 days from end of month following invoice date/date of invoice.
    Current month plus 30 days.

    All you are doing is invoicing at the end of the month after the month you originally invoiced in i.e. end of next month. Say you invoiced on 1st December, it would be due 30th January. If you invoiced 31st December it would also be due 30th January.

    These credit terms are very favourable as they keep the ledgers much "cleaner" than other terms, with a single monthly payment amount - known well in advance - due to the supplier on a known date.

    If you put a comma in there you will be inventing a brand new term of your own and one that could not possibly ever work. For example, an invoice raised on 1st December, would be due 30th December. If you invoiced 29th December it would also be due 30th December, thus only giving them one days credit!

    Regards,

    Robert
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    I suppose that's a reasonable point but I don't think it absolves that question setter from blame. While it might be a common term, it seems unfair to expect Foundation level students to be aware of that or to work out the meaning of what is a semantically ambiguous sentence in an exam situation.

    The alternative wordings are much clearer and either would have been a better choice to use in the question - and better than adding a syntactically incorrect comma too!

    Chris
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    No comma

    It could be:
    An invoice dated the 1st of December should be paid on the 30th day of the month; following the invoice date.

    Otherwise there should be no punctuation

  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 🤖 Admin 🤖
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    I think the fact that we are still discussing it, suggests that there is a debate to be had over what it means ! :)

    Since when do you expect to be discussing the meaning of questions in a 'professional' exam.

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