salary expectation

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  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    I know what you mean. I started work at 16 in a company supplying to the automotive trade, and you have to learn fairly quickly (for your own benefit) that all of these skill are to be harboured in order to satisfy the demands of both the customers and the company you are employed by.
    On the whole though I can also imagine that is harder to teach somebody (if not impossible) these skills if they are immature, and that maturity and experience help these attributes to be developed.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Mind you, a mature person does know all the scams!

    For every plus, there is a minus??!

    :wink:
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Thats true, however in my experience, you cannot get a mature person to change a system for the better if (and I quote) "Thats the way Ive always done it" :lol:
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Except me! I'm 'mature' and I love developing new ideas and systems.

    What's wrong with me? Young at heart!

    Helen
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    I know i may be a bit out of my depth as i am still studying foundation but i would just like to say that where i work i dont thnk my salary is too bad i started here 14 months ago on 8k and since then have had 3 pay increases taking me up 3k, although this is still 4k less than my colleague who is not classed as a trainee.
    I fully understand this and do not expect to be paid the same as them, however they have also only been here 6 months longer than me and this job is very different to the work they were used to before. We also do all of the same work and we both have found that if anybody needs anything then they will come to either of us. it is not just the older colleague. I am not complaining about this as i feel i have the better deal out of us both as all of my training is paid for i get day release and extra time in working hours to study.
    I also realise i am capable of getting much more out of this job than them and that i can progress much further. It also shows in my work like this as because not as much is expected of me when i complete the work i am rewarded and recognised for this much more. I know this will change in a few years and i will be in the other position however as if i want i can be trained to CIMA level without any charge to myself i dont feel that i can complain and when the time comes i will know that it is ttime to move on, hopefully with higher expectations knowing that the experience from this job will help me find a much more enjoyable and well paid placement.
    I am a trainee myself and have to agree that many trainees tend to expect much more than what reality is willing to give but if they look for the right work and work hard at it they will be rewarded in the end.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Well said! You sound as if you know exactly what you want to get from your job and how important looking long-term is.

    Helen
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    wisewood wrote:
    Also, employing a young woman means the probability down the road of maternity pay, and finding cover for up to 12 months. Employ a more mature woman and that possibility is reduced, or removed, saving hassle and money.
    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    I don't think you're allowed to think like that :lol::lol::lol:

    And it doesn't really cost more because you get the maternity pay back from HMRC and you pay the temp what you would have paid the lady who's on maternity leave.

    And a new baby is very good for staff morale!!
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    KevinB wrote:
    wisewood wrote:
    Also, employing a young woman means the probability down the road of maternity pay, and finding cover for up to 12 months. Employ a more mature woman and that possibility is reduced, or removed, saving hassle and money.
    :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    I don't think you're allowed to think like that :lol::lol::lol:

    I don't think that's the point Wisewood was trying to make however I agree with him. Although the 'thought police' would have us believe otherwise, the reality is that many employers do have an unwritten policy of not employing young women in major roles due to risk of pregnancy. It might not be legally right or PC, but it exists regardless. It often costs a great deal of time and money to train someone for a role and I can understand their frustration when someone goes on maternity leave. Yes, you can have a temp in but then you have to suffer the cost of mistakes while training process again.

    Okay, so it's not politically correct but I was also a "victim" of our maternity laws a few years ago when I was temping. I had a long term contract with a company in Birmingham as the regular woman was on maternity leave. I was there for seven months and excelled in the role, so much so that the company actually wanted me permanantly instead of the other woman. However, she invoked her maternity rights by eventually returning to work, and the company had to let me go since they couldn't employ both of us in the same role. My supervisor - who was a woman herself - thought the laws were "stupid" and prohibitive to employers exercising freedom of control.

    We don't live in Victorian times but still our governments can't help meddling in the way we run our businesses. No wonder so much trade is going to the far East where there are far less restrictions and interference.

    Oh and Rae - it sounds like you have your head screwed on in the right place. Refreshing to see someone as young as you are being a realist for once and not bleating about how much less you get paid than an older colleague. As you acknowledge, the rewards will come later on. Very well said.

    Regards,

    Robert
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Obviously i know that it's "not allowed" for an employer to overlook someone, or to treat someone differently because of their sex, age or ability to have children - but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen everyday all across the country.

    Also, the point made about maternity pay is good and valid, but what about employers who offer a package better than the statutory maternity pay? The NHS for example. NHS employees get 8 weeks at full pay, and a further 16 weeks at half pay. Only a small percentage of this will be covered by the statutory maternity pay that can be claimed back from the government. Replacement staff will be needed during the time that the regular staff is off, and fully trained staff will probably be required, meaning a fully qualified agency worker, who will cost double that of a regular staff member.

    So, lets say you're paying out ร‚ยฃ400 per week gross for your staff member who is at home looking after their baby for the first couple of months, you're also paying ร‚ยฃ800 per week for agency cover ... and you're only claiming back a fraction of that. If this were the situation your business were to face, wouldn't YOU be more tempted to be more selective during the interview process?

    Employing younger staff does come with benefits, such as the ability to employ them in a trainee or junior roll and pay them peanuts for several years, its a balancing act - and can't really be summarised into a simple paragraph of pros and cons.

    Anyway, we've strayed away from the original point somewhat :lol:

    How much you should expect to earn depends entirely on who you work for. If your boss drives a Jaguar, has a nice house in the UK, a villa or apartment in Spain and likes to play golf you'll probably not get paid the same as someone who has a boss who drives a mondeo and lives in a flat above the office... or sleeps at his desk.


  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Im studying Technician level AAT and have 2 and a half years experience and Im on 12k so some of you get alot more then me and your at a lower level.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Yes but knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" is worth at least ร‚ยฃ5k on your salary.

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Sorry, I couldn't help myself......
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Just because Im not very good at english doesn't mean Im not any good ay my job!
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    KevinB wrote:
    Yes but knowing the difference between "your" and "you're" is worth at least ร‚ยฃ5k on your salary.

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    Sorry, I couldn't help myself......

    Should be a comma after that yes Kevin
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    shouldnt be an r after comma Paul! :lol:
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    What do you mean Rae?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    ha.......................................ha! :lol:
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Paul22 wrote:
    Should be a comma after that yes Kevin

    If we're splitting hairs, there should almost certainly be a comma between yes and Kevin though...

    :D

    Robert
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    i think the most important thing when first started out is the experience u r gaining as well as your salary
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    I also think enjoying a job is important as well
    keeping stress levels at a point u can cope with
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Thanks, I looked at that from another thread. Just wondered if other people really did get that as it says the AAT Foundation passed and 6 months+ experience averages at ร‚ยฃ13500 in the devon and somerset area. Just wondered if people really do get that?

    Wish I got that! I'm up in Scotland and have been with my work for 3 and a half years have passed the foundation level and get ร‚ยฃ9600. I don't actually have anything to compare this figure to though, apart from what I've seen on this thread. This thread is really interesting as I have no idea what people in my job are being paid (I'm a Trainee Accounts Assistant BTW)

    mi|kshake~
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    I start my new job on the 26th which is paying ร‚ยฃ10750. I think this is right considering it is in a city, I have nearly finished Intermediate and have 18 months experience. This is ร‚ยฃ1500 more than what I'm on at the moment!
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    HAHA... that makes me feel ill!!

    Im 17 years of age, and awaiting my AAT Level 2 results tomorrow, and I am on ร‚ยฃ350 a month :x :x :x

    ร‚ยฃ4200 pa ...

    its impossible to live on this!!
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    How many hours per week do you work for that?

    Minimum wage for your age group is ร‚ยฃ3.30 per hour. It'll increase to ร‚ยฃ4.45 (i think thats the number) when you're 18.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    monday-friday 8.30 am to 4.30 pm, and on a thursday i have to go to a college from 9.00 am to 4.00 pm!! so full time
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Assuming a 1 hour unpaid lunch break per day, you're working a 28 hour week... 28 x ร‚ยฃ3.30 is ร‚ยฃ92.00 per week.

    ร‚ยฃ92.00 per week means you should be getting gross pay of ร‚ยฃ399 per month... not ร‚ยฃ350.

    Unless anyone can see a huge hole in my maths
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    there is nothing wrong with your maths, but I am not on ร‚ยฃ3.30 per hr ...

    I have been looking at everybody else's salaries and mine is significantly low in comparison with the rest
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    My point is that you would appear to be earning less than minimum wage... ??
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Yea that pretty much sums it up! I don't know if there is anything that I can do about this ...
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    Have you called the Minimum Wage helpline? 0845 6000 678 (Part of the Dept. of Trade and industry)

    This page may be worth a read
    http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/pay/national-minimum-wage/index.html
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 ๐Ÿค– Admin ๐Ÿค–
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    This might help you.
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Pay/DG_10027201

    About half way down is info relating to what to do if you're not on minimum wage.

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