Big Brother

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edited June 8 in AAT student discussion
So what does everyone think about the whole Big Brother racism thing?

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  • System
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    I think its Jermaines fault!
  • System
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    I cant watch jade goody in anything, let alone another stint in the big bro house. I didnt watch it thuis time round so cant comment - only to say that producers have the power to show us what only they want us to see.

    Bookies have a fair price on that being the last BB ever. 10/1 i think i saw in le paparrazi
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    I think it's unfair to pin the whole thing on Jade, although she was out of order. She was definitely being a bully, but I don't think she was purposely being racist. Her Mum calling Shilpa "the Indian" is just pure ignorance and lack of her education.

    As you say - you only see what they decided to show you. Cast your mind back to BB3 when Jade was in it before - everyone hated her, but within a week or 2 they managed to show enough footage to warm the public to her a bit more.

    I believe C4 should have stepped in and warned housemates who were picking on Shilpa and being bullying.

    I doubt it will be cancelled - they are contracted to make another 3 yet! I think it was a bit harsh for the call on the directors of C4 to resign too!

    I guess being in that sort of situation it feels good and secure to make friends and by picking on Shilpa together, they were forming a little group.
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    Well C4 have got what they wanted! Everybody is talking about it and the ratings are sky high!
    I dont suppose they will even mind if it is the last one! Just means they will have to find some other rubbish to fill up 12 weeks of TV!
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    Fair enough about the Bullying but i dont believe its really a racism issue.

    The only time race ever really seems to be mentioned is when Jermaine is telling Shilpa that they are mean to her because of her colour, which is why i think it is mainly his fault that it has been blown into such a big racism issue! And as you say it is unfair to pin the whole thing on Jade anyway as the other girls are also mean!
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    Exactly - C4 aren't too fussed as they have got more viewings out of it, but they can't pin it all on Jade.

    I also think the public are being extra harsh because it is celebrities in there and we like to bring down the people at the top (well - kinda of near the top, M list!). Also not many people like Jade so what better opportunity to have a bash at her!

    I don't really like her and certainly don't agree with her behaviour, but she can't take all the responsibility.

    I am not 100% sure exactly what was said, but I agree - I don't think it was racially motivated at all.

    They were making fun of her accent - so what, that's like imitating someone with a geordie accent for example!

    Might be a bit of a controversial thing to say but I do wonder if it was a white person being bullied, would there be so many complaints???
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    My politically correct viewpoint;

    It was deplorable and was a stain on Britain.

    My realistic viewpoint;

    We are a too soft nation and feel the need to constantly apologise for everything in case it upsets someone. Freedom of speech doesn't mean we are free to speak, even against things we should. The "racism" in BB was mild and blown way out of all proportion compared to many things spoken in everyday life by people of all colours and creeds. Our forefathers fought for Britain in World War II against extreme rascism. Look what their heirs have done with the country we inherited.

    9/11 and 7/7 were racist. To my knowledge, Jade didn't advocate racial violence or murder anywhere on the programme.

    No doubt, someone will criticse me even though I'm pretty tolerant on this subject, and this will probably be removed anyway.

    Robert
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    I don't see why the C4 people should have to resign neither - at the end of the day, the house is there and always has been there to create controversy, appeal and conflict.

    I don't want to get onto a race trial thingy, did it as a school project as a court trial and it lasted for bloody weeks!

    I think that there's a key word which has been thrown about that much that it has lost it's meaning and that whenever anyone hears of that one word they tell their own stories and judge other - Race.

    Guaranteed to get people talking, there are 24 hours in a day's filming footage, 12 hours at least in the BB house are spent awake and nattering between themselves, i'd say a good 3 hours of that was bitching with their close friends in the house about others also int eh house - the producers there have enough footage to portray an innocent discussion as a hate filled attack.

    As I said, I didn't see the BB Celebs this year and neither did I read the paper, cos Race doesn't interest me as an issue. But I agree not only one person should take the blame. I don't like people who bring up race in terms of bullying, if it is happeneing as racial bullying then fair enough, the person shows his/her real education and resoect for others - but if Jermain said that out of the blue then he is to blame for blowing things up out of al proportion - wonder how many times he has used the race card?

    Ahh look at me, I didn't even watch the dam thing and I hve written enough to pass a Uni exam!
  • System
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    No I agree with you Robert - we are far too soft here.

    It is good that we have a mix of cultures, but we are far too lenient and should implement a system like Oz does - they'll only let you in if you score enough points and they need you. Here, we let anybody and everybody in!

    Agreed - we are too scared of upsetting people. For example, schools are no longer allowed to have nativity plays due to some children being a different religion. Sorry, but this is Britain and the main religion is Chrisitanity - why are we changing this? If you come to live here, you accept our culture. I do believe children should be taught about different religons though.

    It might sound harsh but when you consider the amount of taxpayer's money which goes on things such as asylum seekers and the fact that a lot of employers are taking on other nationalities to work at a cheaper rate and it will lead to Brits being out of jobs, where is the good in that?
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    phunkyphantom22 wrote:
    Her Mum calling Shilpa "the Indian" is just pure ignorance and lack of her education.

    PP22, we have spoke before and I hope you know I am not being disrespectful towards your view, but this comment is the epitome of everything that is wrong with PC. She IS an Indian, she IS distinguishable in this way, and therefore using that phrase is perfectly acceptable.
    I do agree that what is not acceptable is putting thick ******s on the TV, like Jade and her mother, and making them into celebrities.

    Paul.
    Edit: I just want to add, that any GENUNINELY upsetting racist comments should not be condoned, and people should be pulled over the coals, however using adjectives when referring to a person, however they may look, whether fat or thin or black or white should not be condemned.
  • System
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    Oh I can feel a really bad debate starting here...
  • System
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    Yep me too i think its time to retreat to a nice safe place and sit back!
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    What I think the programme has confirmed to me is the awful decline in education standards.

    The american actor, Dirk, was talking to two of the blokes and they mentioned Norfolk and he asked where it was.

    They hadn't a clue and the American said that even though his country was very large, he still knew where places were.

    "Somewhere up North" was one suggestion.

    I can remember a teacher of mine at primary school, spending her lunchbreak rearranging the classroom and drawing a massive outline of the UK. We spent the afternoon learning where counties were and what their county towns were.

    This was followed up with a project on individual counties - their industry etc.

    Move fastforward (over not too many years, Robert!)...

    Firstly, I don't think many teachers would give up their break.

    Secondly, would they be allowed to move the desks and chairs?

    Thirdly, actually I'll stop there - I could keep going all day.

    :twisted:
  • System
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    Hi Paul,

    Nope no offence caused at all - I agree with you completely. It's like when I lived in a shared house - we had 2 Paul's and 1 was from Newcastle so we called him Geordie. It's completely the same.

    I meant Jade's mum is ignorant in the way that she doesn't realise that what she says may cause offence (even if it shouldn't), she just says it without thinking.

    Nothing wrong with a good healthy debate Jamie (as long as it doesn't get nasty of course!) :-)

    I think it's quite interesting to see what other people's views are on topics such as these.

  • System
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    I have to admit we were never taught in school about where they were and im not ashamed to admit it! Its not my fault if the teachers are not willing to teach us that! If somebody asked me where somewhere was i would probably say something like somewhere up north! (Not because i dont know but because it is much easier than actually explaining it!)
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    I was never taught that in school either, we were also only taught about America and European countries.

    I've had to learn and teach myself where everything is on this planet, he he! Obviously I cannot remember everything!

    It's the same with maths - we were taught with calculators and I feel lost without one. I could do it if I tried, but it's easier and faster to use a calculator!
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    blobbyh wrote:
    My politically correct viewpoint;

    It was deplorable and was a stain on Britain.

    My realistic viewpoint;

    We are a too soft nation and feel the need to constantly apologise for everything in case it upsets someone. Freedom of speech doesn't mean we are free to speak, even against things we should. The "racism" in BB was mild and blown way out of all proportion compared to many things spoken in everyday life by people of all colours and creeds. Our forefathers fought for Britain in World War II against extreme rascism. Look what their heirs have done with the country we inherited.

    9/11 and 7/7 were racist. To my knowledge, Jade didn't advocate racial violence or murder anywhere on the programme.

    No doubt, someone will criticse me even though I'm pretty tolerant on this subject, and this will probably be removed anyway.

    Robert
    I totally agree with you Robert we are to soft in this country and when the news broadcasters get hold of this racist stuff they blow it out the sky,ok Jade may have been wrong but are indians etc not racits towards us thats the question we have to ask?.


    John
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    *Itching to air views*

    *gets up and goes for ciggie*

    *Paul, I'll start with you in Feb 1st*
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    Thats the point really PP22 yeah, why are they even on TV, makes me really angry that they are being put in a position where younger teenagers look to them as 'celebrities'. The only place for some of these people on TV should be as an example what what a lack of education does for you!
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    In my humble opinion, Jade Goody should not be listened to. Ever. About anything. She's an ignorant bully whose sole claim to fame is being stupid and loud and 'starring' in a previous series of Big Brother which she didn't even win.

    I live on the Herts/Essex border, which means that Jade's home town of Harlow is about five miles in that direction *points East*, and her failed salon in Hertford is five miles in that direction *points West*. And the saddest thing about all this is that I meet Jade Goodys every day. Loudmouth ignorant bullies comprise 75%+ of my collegues. At least three dropped out of school without bothering to get GCSEs and believe that they have been extremely cunning to do so.

    The low level of literacy and general lack of knowledge about anything other than reality TV is shocking. They cannot understand why they should not be allowed to do exactly as they feel, without regard to such things as consequences.

    Has anyone here read 'A Canticle for Liebowitz' by Walter Miller? There's a part where the narrator describes the general public backlash to a worldwide war: killing the 'learned' that invented the weapons and burning the books. Eventually, even the merely literate were hanged.

    It's all the more frightening because I can see it happening.
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    Is it just me, or did the number of complaints only being to rise when people were told there was someone to complain to. It seems this country has a massive group of people who will complain about anything.

    Fair enough, they may not like what happened and think it is wrong, but how many of those who complained had actually watched CBB before it was reported that people were complaining. I bet a big % actually only tuned in when they heard there was something to complain about, watched once, then decided they would phone up.

    I think that if you know you're not going to like something, why watch, just to complain afterwards. (BTW - I don't watch CBB, and am just annoyed that this nonsense is taking up so much news space, and even political discussions, when there are much more important things to worry about!)

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