ATT - change in qualification structure - what to do?

Monsoon
Monsoon Registered Posts: 4,020 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
edited June 18 in AAT member discussion
I still have paper 7 to do.

Paper 7 on Practice Administration & Ethics has proved a difficult paper for students. It is a purely written paper and is viewed by many as a "dry" subject. However, it is vitally important that the subject matter included within the syllabus is studied and understood by those who are to become Members of the ATT.

Following the November 2011 examination, Paper 7 will be replaced by two E-Assessments; one in Law and one in Professional Responsibilities & Ethics.


Do I attempt to sit it in November on paper (I've looked at the past papers and they look minging, quite frankly!)? Or do I take a risk and opt for the E-assessment in May?

I know the AAT had major teething problems with the CBAs.

I know sitting 2 papers in November is going to be a major struggle but I am willing to try it. I only have 2 to go.

Any opinons?

I might have the decision taken out of my hands if I find out tonight that I failed my May exam! :lol:

Changes to the ATT Examinations from 2012

The current examination structure has been in place for nine examination sessions and the ATT has therefore been carrying out a review to ensure that the syllabus and examination structure remain relevant.

Paper 7 on Practice Administration & Ethics has proved a difficult paper for students. It is a purely written paper and is viewed by many as a "dry" subject. However, it is vitally important that the subject matter included within the syllabus is studied and understood by those who are to become Members of the ATT.

Following the November 2011 examination, Paper 7 will be replaced by two E-Assessments; one in Law and one in Professional Responsibilities & Ethics. The administration (i.e. tax) part of the Paper 7 syllabus will instead be tested in the individual tax papers to the extent that it is relevant to each paper. Certificates of Competency will not be available for success in the E-Assessments. Those who have passed the current Paper 7 will have three years to pass the other required papers for Membership of the ATT (subject to expiry dates of passes and/or Certificates of Competency held in other papers) or renew their existing Certificate of Competency. If the Paper 7 pass expires then the two E-Assessments will need to be passed. Existing rules will continue to apply regarding application for a Certificate of Competency in Paper 7 passed up to and including the November 2011 examinations.

A pass in the ATT's Professional Responsibilities & Ethics E-Assessment will qualify for a credit for the Chartered Institute of Taxation's E-Assessment in Professional Responsibilities & Ethics. A pass in the ATT's Law E-Assessment will qualify for a credit for the Chartered Institute of Taxation's E-Assessment in Law. Questions in the ATT's E-Assessments will be drawn from the same question bank as the Chartered Institute of Taxation's E-Assessments.

Law and ethics will remain on Papers 1 to 6, but the requirement for law to comprise 10-15% of each paper will be dropped. (The degree of law tested on each paper will in future be determined by its relevance to that paper.)

The overall impact of the changes is that an individual will have satisfied the examination requirements for membership of the Association if they:

Hold, or are entitled to hold, three valid Certificates of Competency from Papers 1 to 6 (including the two compulsory papers - Personal Taxation and Business Taxation & Accounting Principles); and
Hold or are entitled to hold a valid Certificate of Competency from the old Practice Administration & Ethics paper or have passed the separate ATT E-Assessments in Professional Responsibilities & Ethics and Law.

Comments

  • qwerty
    qwerty Registered Posts: 82 Regular contributor ⭐
    Hi Monsoon

    CIOT have e-assessments for Law and Ethics, so I am assuming the ATT will follow a similar format to the CTA. If so, I would not expect there to be many problems (such as those the AAT appear to have had) as the structure is already there (as I am sure you are aware, the ATT and CIOT work together on a lot of things).

    Whether you wait or not is for you to decide. When I sat my ATT (under the old system) there was no paper 7, so I can't comment on what this is like. However, I did sit the Law and Ethics e-assessments when I did my CTA and they were very reasonable.

    If you believe it may be a lot (especially with your practice to run too... how do you do it!) then doing one exam in November and trying the e-assessments sound like the better option.

    Whatever you choose, good luck with your studies.

    Qwerty
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Registered Posts: 4,020 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    qwerty wrote: »
    (especially with your practice to run too... how do you do it!)

    I'm winging it and burying my head in the sand :lol:

    Thanks for the comments, yes, I think it's the same or similar to the CIOT e-tests, so that's good to know they are running smoothly.

    I guess I will wait and see tonight...

    Also, I took paper 2 3 years ago, meaning if I don't complete everything this November, I will have to re-apply to get my certificate of competency. Given the large differences in AAT and ATT CPD, I won't have the requisite hours so this may be an issue, so getting it all done this year may be preferable.

    So, I may be trying to do it all in November. Ha. Ho hum!!
  • Rinske
    Rinske Registered Posts: 2,427 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    Im quite sure you could manage it, should you try. You didn't get this far without having a healthy dose of self discipline or time management. That's not to suck up, but just to remind you on how far you actually already got.

    It might depend on the results of tonight tho, but I wouldn't be too nervous yet if I were you.

    What time will you get the email?
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Registered Posts: 4,020 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    Rinske wrote: »
    You didn't get this far without having a healthy dose of self discipline or time management.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :lol:

    If only!!

    9pm

    Will let y'all know :-D
  • Just for Fun
    Just for Fun Registered Posts: 10 New contributor 🐸
    Hi Monsoon,

    I sat and passed Ethics in May - at the ATT conference it is subject to a lot of debate because, as you know, it has the highest failure rate (this time 60% passed).

    The lecturer said the problem is that it is too easy to assume that you know it (ie it all makes sense) but what they are looking for are specific words / lists etc that HAVE to be learnt by wrote and not "made up" in the exam.

    So taking that to heart, I approached it as I would any other exam and learnt the material, marked up the Legislation (all the MLR regs are in Tolleys!) and passed.

    Hope that helps? But as QWERTY says, the CIOT already do the CBTs so I guess they should be hassle free but why not get it done !

    Rgds

    JFF
  • Monsoon
    Monsoon Registered Posts: 4,020 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    Thanks.

    Well, having passed my May paper, I want to get this qual out of the way, so will be sitting VAT and Ethics in November. Time to empty my wallet on more books :thumbup:
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