ACCA F8 Audit Question Advice

mark057
mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
Hi everyone,

I'm just about to delve into my question practices for paper F8 (Audit and Assurance).

I know there will be a 30 mark, 10 mark and three 20 mark questions.

Can anyone tell me what tends to be asked in each type of question?

I've revised my syllabus a fair bit but still have some way to go to becoming really confident with this
paper.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Mark

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  • Richard
    Richard Registered Posts: 368 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Hi Mark,

    From memory the 30 mark question is usually based around a case study scenario - there will be a detailed scenario to read through, and you will be asked to spot weaknesses, advise what improvements can be made, etc.

    The 10 mark question is theory based, and usually broken down into a number of parts each worth 2 or 3 marks.

    The remainder of the questions are a mix of case study/theory.

    The best advice is probably to download a few of the more recent papers, and have a look through and spot the trends - I'm not advising question spotting, but you will notice which area of the syllabus appears in which section of the paper, ie I think question 5 usually examines going concern/final stage of audit. I think the current examiners first paper was June 2010, so you will see the style of questions she writes if you download these papers.

    EDIT: Have you seen this article? http://www.accaglobal.com/content/dam/acca/global/pdf/sa_mar10_examapp_F8.pdf
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Many thanks for that bit of advice Richard.

    I've got a revision book on the way so I'm sure I'll pick it up.

    Many thanks

    Mark
  • Glynis
    Glynis Registered Posts: 488 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    I find the questions to be quite badly worded in this exam as I never seem to understand what is being asked. I have sat this 4 times now and can't understand why I am going so wrong. I am doing it again in December and hope that its got a bit more friendlier.
  • mini_schnauzer
    mini_schnauzer Registered Posts: 347 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Further sources of F8 free or very low cost study info, apart from opentution.com is www.tonysurridge.co.uk
    He is advertising from Β£3 F8 help PDF books.

    Hopefully any extra sources of study will help you pass F8
  • RubyRubyRuby
    RubyRubyRuby Registered Posts: 1 New contributor 🐸
    distance learning or classroom base

    Hi

    I'm new to the forum and thinking of starting on Acca study. Just want to know is the distance learning option any good? As I have to self fund the course!

    Ruby,
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Hi Everyone,

    Seriously need the help of someone who has done the F8 (Audit & Assurance) paper.

    I'm totally disillusioned after a few questions given my thought processes seem to be totally different
    to the sadist who writes the Kaplan answers in the revision text.

    One question asked for problems and solution to a new audit. I provide a number of sensible answers
    and half of them were not even in the answer.

    Some of the official answers were really off the cuff type answers and I'm never getting them as I
    don't have any practical audit experience.

    Another question asked for advantages of using audit software. I provide textbook perfect adv of a
    CAAT linking it into scenario and the official answer mentions none.

    HELP!!!!

    Mark
  • Rozzi Rainbow
    Rozzi Rainbow Registered Posts: 462 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    I would try not to worry too much Mark - when the model answers came out for the exam I sat, I didn't think I'd written anything like them yet still passed. I believe if you write something sensible and relevant, and keep referring to the scenario (i.e. not trying to solve problems that aren't there) then you should be ok. The model answers are the perfect non time constrained answers, and I think if anyone actually managed to write all that in the exam they would score well over 100!

    Good luck
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Thank you for that Rozzi.

    It is just hard to know if your on the right track or not. Also I'm a bit of a perfectionist which is a habit
    I'm trying to kick lol.

    Mark
  • Julia
    Julia Registered Posts: 78 Regular contributor ⭐
    I've taught F8 and P7 students recently in the UK and Malaysia and this seems to be a problem with these papers.
    My advice? Don't dishearten yourself with model answers you won't be able to write that much! The most important point about these discursive papers is time allocation and sufficient question practice.
    There is still plenty of time until the exams but by now you should be coming to the end of study phase and getting into revision phase. Mark057 if you are in revision phase (usually about 6 weeks prior to the exam) it is normal to feel anxious about the answers :)

    Don't forget to read the examiner reports as well and the technical articles in student accountant. We are flagging up the examiners approach article, her article on audit risk and the assessors subsequent events, sampling and going concern ones to really cover in full!

    Good luck with your studies.

    Julia
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Hi Julia.

    Many thanks for the advice and I will certainly be looking up the examiner articles and technical articles.

    Mark
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Hi everyone,

    I just wondered if any of the F8 peoples would give me an opinion on a question I answered this
    morning?

    The question asked for possible substantive tests to be conducted on the Trade payables section
    of a company making tables and furniture.

    I gave some basic tests such as:

    1) Select a sample of purchase invoices and reconcile against PO and GRN (Accuracy)

    2) Check sample of purchase orders for sequential numbering (Completeness)

    3) Reconcile sample of purchase invoices against purchase ledger, making sure they have been
    entered into the correct supplier accounts at the correct value and they also have a corresponding
    value in the purchase ledger control account (Accuracy)

    4) Review a sample of post FYE bank payment transactions to ascertain if their were any outstanding
    liabilities at the FYE not recorded as accruals (Cut-off, completeness)

    5) Analytical proocedures - Compare creditor days between this and last year, assess total trade
    payables figure in relation to last years figure. Are there any significant variations to investigate?

    6) Recalculate corporation tax computation to assess accuracy of tax balanct at year end. Also
    reconcile payroll tax computations with payroll records at year end (Accuracy)

    7) Obtain bank confirmation letter, with client permission, to ascertain balance of overdrafts and
    review bank statement balances at FYE for proof of overdrafts.

    8) Creditors circularisation letters sent to creditors to confirm balances of material creditor balances,
    check supplier statement for evidence of credit balances.

    Many thanks

    Mark
  • mark057
    mark057 Registered Posts: 352 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Any F8 people got any thoughts or advice on this?

    Mark
  • Dean
    Dean Registered Posts: 643 Epic contributor 🐘
    Hi Mark

    I have had a quick scan down your list and it seems fine except for the final points (6-8).

    Number 8 sticks our the most with regard to possible confusion; You wouldn't normally do this for payables as you will already have the payables invoices. If you were to send a letter to a payable asking them to confirm their own balances; a) doesn't achieve anything as you can look at their invoices b) they could reply dishonestly confirming a higher balance in your letter than actually owed.

    This letter would generally be used for the receivables. This then checks that staff are not creating factitious sales invoices in an attempt to pay money into their own banks accounts but match off to a bogus invoice.

    6-7 aren't to do with payables. Is the questions specifically talking about payables?

    Regards

    Dean
  • acastudentmaat
    acastudentmaat Registered Posts: 16 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    I'll try and mark your answers but bear in mind that i passed the ACA audit paper not F8.

    1) Too vague. State exactly what you will be reconcilling. Cost? Quantity? Description?

    2) seems ok

    3) seems ok

    4) Your answer seems more relevent to general liabilities rather than trade payables.

    5) Not relevent. Question asked for substantive tests.

    6) Not relevent. CT is not a trade payable.

    7) Not relevent. Overdrafts are not trade payables.

    8) seems ok.

    These are just my initial feelings. Let me know if you do not agree.
  • Bluewednesday
    Bluewednesday Registered Posts: 1,609 Beyond epic contributor πŸ§™β€β™‚οΈ
    I''ve just checked the Kaplan book for F8 and circularisation of suppliers is a valid audit procedure so I feel no 8 is ok.
  • Glynis
    Glynis Registered Posts: 488 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    I have done 2 past papers today and both of them were a disaster. I don't understand when the question asks for going concern problems how you are supposed to deal with the issues in the question. The answers seem like they don't relate to the question. There has to be a point where all this clicks surely. How can they make a paper so confusing :(
  • acastudentmaat
    acastudentmaat Registered Posts: 16 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Glynis. Which past papers were you looking at? I'll have a look at the going concern questions and might be able to give you some pointers.
  • Glynis
    Glynis Registered Posts: 488 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    Glynis. Which past papers were you looking at? I'll have a look at the going concern questions and might be able to give you some pointers.

    Thank you :) I'm really struggling with this blasted paper. It is question 5 in June 2010. I just don't understand how you are supposed to answer it. I know there is a latest article on going concern in last month student accountant but I don't see how that relates to the questions. It just seems a minefield all of this.
  • acastudentmaat
    acastudentmaat Registered Posts: 16 Dedicated contributor πŸ¦‰
    I'll send you a PM shortly as i don't want to hijack Mark's thread.
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