ACA vs ACCA.... very confused

Sheepish93
Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
edited June 18 in AAT member discussion
Hi all,

im part way through my Level 4 AAT currently but have an appraisal with my employer soon so the subject of training will come up and im a bit stuck and could use some advice.

Im unsure whether to do ACCA or ACA at the moment so heres a bit of background that may help make more sense.

I started my training positions a week after my last A Level exam two years ago last week so i turned down the opportunity of university (which i dont regret as i understand my job will put me in the same position as a graduate but ill have the 3 years more experience under my belt!)

Now heres the tricky bit, im unsure of the next step training wise because ACCA has a module which will top it up to a degree from oxford brookes and then i would have a degree at last! ACA on the other hand is generally still seen as more prestigious (i know many will disagree!!) but it is not possible that i can see to top up to the degree which part of me wants to do due to not going to university.

Any help will be beyond greatly appreciated as im utterly confused.

Cheers.

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  • Nps
    Nps Registered Posts: 773
    There was a discussion on here about this last week too. My opinion, for what it's worth.....

    I'm doing ACCA and the Oxford Brookes degree, but only because the degree is so little work on top of what I'm already doing. And that's the issue, almost everyone who is recently ACCA qualified will have had the opportunity to do the degree, so really, what is it's worth? It's not really going to set you apart from the other 1000's of ACCA qualifiers. I often see on other forums, foreign students talking about how it's the easiest way to get a UK degree, interpret that how you will.

    However, if you don't already have a degree and want the satisfaction of having one, then it's ideal. I just don't think it will be viewed particularly highly when it is having to compete against 1st's and 2:1's from red brick uni's. Just my opinion, I have no concrete grounds for any of this.

    If it were me and I had the choice of ACCA and ACA, I'd go for ACA, purely because it is SOMETIMES seen as more prestigious. To start ACA you have already had to prove yourself to an employer whereas anyone can start ACCA. Of course, those less able will certainly have fallen by the wayside along the ACCA route so theoretically once chartered there should be no difference. However, realistically ACA is seen as better by some, so why take the risk if you have the choice? I believe in hedging my bets.

    As I say, I'm on the ACCA route as I don't yet work in accounting, and I think it's an excellent qualification (I'm just over half way through) so I don't think you'll go far wrong whichever route you choose.
  • Nps
    Nps Registered Posts: 773
    The main issue though is, is your employer an ACA approved employer? If not, you'll have to do ACCA anyway.
  • Sheepish93
    Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
    I think they are as we've just taken on a new person who's studying aca as it can be done I independently without a training contract, I think my main issue is deciding whether or not the degree is worth doing
  • Sheepish93
    Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
    That's my thinking, I don't have a degree due to starting with AAT as my boss wants people to learn the basics, part of me wants it just to graduate as I honestly regret the way ill never graduate even though I know I'm without debt and that my employers are really good when it comes to training. In the future I'd like to study to a masters degree which I will need the bsc for ideally, I think I'm going to have to have a meeting with my boss as my practice is literally 50/50 aca to acca.
  • Nps
    Nps Registered Posts: 773
    I would never dissuade someone from doing a degree and if the opportunity is there to do it, then I'd say do it. But I wouldn't choose ACCA vs ACA on the basis of the degree. If you really want the satisfaction of knowing you have a degree then go for it, but if you're hoping that it will open doors for you, then I really am not sure that it will. I may be wrong and perhaps someone can correct me if I am.

    You are probably better placed than me to know this, but once you are fully qualified as a chartered accountant with the necessary experience, are there any jobs out there that will still insist you are a graduate despite being chartered (or is the graduate issue more for trainee roles with the Big 4 and the such like?)

    Isn't there a fast track AAT-ACA scheme where you only need to evidence 2 years work experience rather than 3. I don't know much about it as I'm not doing ACA, but that might be worth a look perhaps?
  • Sheepish93
    Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
    I don't want to work for a big 4 as odd as it sounds its too much traveling, I think it's more the degree knowing I've got the extra letters than anything, it's already been made clear my place assume I will go on to further study with them which is comforting, I don't think the degree will open doors I'd like to think the extra experience I have will do that for me, however I understand what some firms are like.

    On the aca from I think that's where you have to sign up to it from the start so I wouldn't be a me to start that now.
  • Sheepish93
    Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
    I don't want to work for a big 4 as odd as it sounds its too much traveling, I think it's more the degree knowing I've got the extra letters than anything, it's already been made clear my place assume I will go on to further study with them which is comforting, I don't think the degree will open doors I'd like to think the extra experience I have will do that for me, however I understand what some firms are like.

    On the aca from I think that's where you have to sign up to it from the start so I wouldn't be a me to start that now.
  • SandyHood
    SandyHood Registered, Moderator Posts: 2,027 mod
    Is this any help?

    My personal view is that ACA is a higher qualification than a BA(Hons)/BSc(Hons)
    but this is a way to a degree
    http://www.bbk.ac.uk/study/2013/undergraduate/programmes/UBSAPABU_C

    And I would expect a lot of Universities would love to recruit chartered accountants onto their degrees.
    Sandy
    sandy@sandyhood.com
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  • Rozzi Rainbow
    Rozzi Rainbow Registered Posts: 462 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    I was in the same situation as you, and the degree was one of the reasons I chose ACCA over ACA. I didn't go to uni either, and my teachers and classmates thought I was mad, so I too would like the satisfaction of finally getting a degree! I wouldn't agree with Nps that the degree is little work though - yes, by already completing the exams it much less work than going to do a degree from scratch, but I certainly wouldn't say the dissertation is easy! My biggest tip for doing the dissertation is to find a mentor who is experienced specifically with the OBU degree and knows exactly what you need to do to pass - there is so little guidance out there and for my first attempt I managed to write a good report about completely the wrong thing!! So you need someone who knows exactly what criteria you need to meet.

    I would also consider when choosing between ACA and ACCA:
    Which syllabus most appeals to you - you should enjoy what you are studying.
    Where you will have to go to study and take the exams.
    The cost of both options (if they won't be fully funded for you).

    The other reasons for me choosing ACCA over ACA were that I don't believe my employer is currently an ACA approved employer (although as an ACA practice, this may not have been to hard to achieve) and I found a college within travelling distance that taught the F level ACCA papers.

    Good luck with whatever you decide!
  • Nps
    Nps Registered Posts: 773
    Sorry Rozzi, probably badly phrased. What I meant was in comparison to a 3 year full time degree. :blushing:
  • Sheepish93
    Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
    This is where im torn as im fairly certain i have the complete choice, local centres teach both as im an hour train from london so training providers arent an issue and neither is costs as work will fund it other then the degree, i like the look of ACA more but cost wise the degree through ACCA is so much cheaper and actually possible for me to attain as by the time ACA degree options are availiable to me costs wont allow it
  • Rozzi Rainbow
    Rozzi Rainbow Registered Posts: 462 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    No problem Nps, I wasn't trying to suggest you were wrong - some people may possibly find it much easier than I am - just offer my views on it.

    Sheepish - only you can decide what is right for you, unless your workplace are going to push you one way or the other. Personally I think ACCA would be more adaptable than ACA if ever you wanted to move into industry, but again ACAers may correct me on this.
  • NeilH
    NeilH Registered Posts: 548 Epic contributor 🐘
    Sheepish93 wrote: »
    I think they are as we've just taken on a new person who's studying aca as it can be done I independently without a training contract...

    Hi

    You can study ACA independently outside of contract but you won't be able to complete the qualification unless you have 3 years practical experience gained under contract with an approved employer. Also, I'm not sure if it is still the case but at one point you couldn't take the final stage ACA exams unless you were in the third year of a training contract.

    Neil
  • Sheepish93
    Sheepish93 Registered Posts: 26 Epic contributor 🐘
    I think I'm leaning more towards acca purely for the ease of the degree project and that if I'm lucky my employer may pay for the submission, also acca is closest and doesn't mean I have to travel to London for each day of my training which is £50 a day which although I can claim back is still a lot initially until pay day. I've just submitted my appraisal form at work so it's just a case of that being arranged and then a chance to sit down with my boss, I'm fairly lucky in that my place is small so I report to one of the partners tha majority of te time and she's fantastic for study support and helping where at all possible.
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