Nightmare PEV
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I am really worried now, section two was horrible. <BR><BR>what did every one recommend for the factory closure? <BR><BR>After reading other postings some people got operating profit losses but i got still got a profit, I think i am going to fail!!!!<BR><BR>Does anyone know what date the results are out?<BR><BR>Sorry if this message doesnt make sense, my brain is fryed.<BR><BR>Lets just hope they don't put any surprises in PCR.<BR><BR><BR>
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indeed it was a nightmare,i got a profit but it was just too much i dont think it was right. i didnt know what to write in the memo ended up writting alot of crap.0 -
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Wow!! I am amazed you can remember it I have blocked it all out of my mind now as it was a totally rubbish exam and section 2 meant absolutely nothing to me!!!0 -
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DHewlett,<BR>I am happy to hear that you have similar answers in section 2!<BR>As far as I have understood reconciliations, you always need all variances except Fixed O/H Volume Variance for the reconciliation, which makes that 7 altogether.<BR><BR>In my opinion those were ALL adverse, and therefore adding them to Standard total Cost at Actual Output, you got exactly Actual total cost at actual output.<BR><BR>in the further tasks, the first manager complained that the material price v. suffered, because of inflation (basically). I reckon that by recalculating the material price at November values, that accounted for so much, that the original adverse variance was completely "used up" by that and more, i.e., if the had budgeted using the November values of the prices, the materials would have come out with a favourable (1Kodd) variance.<BR><BR>The second manager moaned about the breaking down of the machine, and therefore a part of the machine hours were wasted on washing the machine, and so were 500 labour hours. I think in both cases the hours lost were to be multiplied by their standard cost, and that made up the variance part caused by the breakdown, the rest was variance due to "other reasons" (PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COMMENT/CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG!!!!)<BR><BR>Then there was a third "moaner" making out the variance was because of too much overtime (problems with recruiting), and that to my mind could not be proven because no data concerning budgeted overtime hours or rates was available.<BR><BR>What else was there?<BR><BR>Please all people, who read this, join in and make your comments, the more, the clearer the picture????!!!<BR><BR>Conny0 -
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sounds impressive I think!0 -
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I think it was getting at outputs per employee for the physical outputs question. I put that, but I couldn't think of anything else so just put some random gibberish... percentage of rejects to finished goods, labour capacity, etc, etc...0 -
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Message for Conny<BR><BR>I did it exactly like you have said for part 2 so feeling a bit more confident now. And yes I agree I could only use the Gross and Op profit %s to compare. <BR><BR>Can you expand on the rec from part one for me?? Did u use all your variance figure or just some? Was pretty baffled by that bit.<BR><BR>0 -
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What a nightmare! <BR><BR>Wasn't sure exactly what I was supposed to be reconciling in the first part? Can someone explain that to me?<BR><BR>Also I was stumped on the 3 physical measuring thingys??<BR><BR>And then the second part I ended up with a profit and recommended they get rid of A. Not sure why??<BR><BR>Has anyone managed to scan the paper for Sandy to see yet as I might be able to??0 -
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all my variances were adverse, and it balanced. think one went to favourable after working out the price index variance . <BR>i didnt add the 250000 closing costs in on the p and l! ! thought about it but didnt know where to put it so just added it in the memo saying about the profits etc and saying they didnt include the closing down costs!!<BR>pysical thingy, think it meant such as outputs per employee??? dunno.<BR>capacity one got me, like someone else said it was about 174% thought cant be right so juggled it and did it at about 60% as budget was 80000 hours and capacity of factory was 140000 so hadnt used all capacity.<BR><BR>interesting to see i havent struggled on my own with some of the bits. but after my last exam (ecr) in june i was prepared for there being something i didnt quite get to grips with!!0 -
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i must have made a boo boo as well. it didnt say anything about reducing production so i revised the pand l on the 22000 and 30000 units. did the high low technique for selling and distribution costs came out with something like 907000 for selling and distribution expenses and an overall loss. didnt make it clear in the wording what they wanted of us never mind the ratios mighnt be enough to pass . only finished part of the memo ran out of time through trying to find the variable costs of selling and distribution .0 -
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no all my variances were adverse and it balanced.<BR>the physical out put i've got no idea i was just stating the obvious some didnt even make sense at all.0 -
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i also got 1 favourable variance and mine did balance but i had to go back and just managed it although didn't quite manage to answer all of the last memo and i really wanted to get the statement to balance. spent to much time on this i think0 -
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oh dear i think i have made a real BOO BOO production and sales volume were the same (22000 sales and 22000 production for factory A), but i worked out some of the costs to be variable so used the high low technique. did anyone else do this or did you just add 40% of A onto B which most seemed to do in the exam i sat. didn't get around to answering if it should close or not as i run out of time0 -
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Oh who knows....... i just did some creative accounting basically. Now I had all advers variances then re-did and got 1 advers int he FOH section.... mine did not reconcile. I spent too much time on that, and then just had to move on to section 2.0 -
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i must have calculated the selling and distribution figure wrong. i used thre high low technique as a percentage of production. realise now it was a percentage of turnover but still couldnt get a % what matched in line with turnover . did you revise the p and l on total production of 22000 units and 30000 units. or did you deduct the 60% loss in local sales and produce only 40% of the 22000 units originally budgeted. i think i have blown that one then.0 -
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I did get that, and at the end operating profit 180000 ish...<BR><BR>So the turnover was something like Factory B plus 40% of Factory A, then the direct labour the same way. The materials were also the same except I think you had to deduct 5% off the total as well.<BR><BR>Production O/H were what was given in the question plus Factory B, wasn't it? Same goes for Selling, I think, and also Admin, except that I added the closure costs of £250000 to that. So in the end, I think, there was less op. profit, than there was before for Factory B only, and also compared to the total A and B before, the op profit was worse.<BR><BR>I whaffled a lot as well, but can somebody comment on that you could really only use Net Pr % and Gross Pr % to make the comparisons between before and after? B/S could not be done could it?<BR><BR>We chatted today, and it seems that some of us had two favourable variances in the first part, and they still managed to balance their reconciliation.<BR><BR>Can anybody comment on if all the variances were adverse, or is it true that there were two favourable ones???<BR><BR>Jumping to the very end: what on earth are three "physical types of output" ???? (or something like that), that the director wanted to know???? And what should we have said about what the problem was with financial variances? Is it that they are based on budget, and budget can be wrong???<BR><BR>Please let me know, while I am revising away for DFS...<BR><BR>Conny0 -
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yes i got that i took the factory b turn over and added factoryA 40% of its turn over.0 -
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I got a profit on the revised p&l but at first i had a loss but then i went over the sales and distr costs as they were variable to turnover whatever that means?? so i did a percentage and it got that figure down so there was an op profit in the end???? Waffled so much crap though in the memo, however i recommended that they not close coz once i did another op profit ratio on the revised p&l it was the same %......... <BR><BR>what did you get fo revised turnover £3 370,000 ish???????0 -
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That's exactly what I got my revised turnover to be. After that I wasn't sure how to get some of the variables (labour rate was different at both factorys, so I factorised the factory B labour costs 140,000/85,000 to up it at there rate to maximum hrs for capacity? Does this sound right?<BR><BR>I did include the shutting down costs - took them off the contribution.<BR><BR>I got my original gross profits as 40% & 44% (roughly) for A&B , and revised P&L as about 39%. Seems odd that it's that close, so I'm sure I've dropped a bol*^%ck!<BR><BR>Hope Thursday's easier!<BR><BR>Glenn0 -
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After speaking to our teacher about Section 2 of the PEV paper she thought the topic shouldnt even be on the paper and that 'factories closing' used to be in a separate unit that has been removed from the AAT when the sylabus changed recently.<BR><BR>I think I will be making a complaint about the factory closing question - that it was unfair to put it on the paper - when there is nothing in any text books to explain how to do it!0