Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

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  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    A-Ha :lol::wink:
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    ok i think everyonie should know that 5k is 5000 am i right ?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    blank wrote:
    ok i think everyonie should know that 5k is 5000

    But do they? It seems not.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    Unless we're talking 5kB :)
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    What are the main issues here?

    Is it the fact that someone didn't know how many grams were in a kilogram and now feels hideously embarrassed? Regardless of what some are saying, this IS common knowledge and it's absurd to expect an examiner to pass this information on to people who should already know it. As Paul already said, we know how much £5k is or the number of metres in a kilometre and most of us don't use grams day in day out either but we can still do the conversions.

    Or is it that some are using the fact that a teacher allegedly gave this information away in an exam? Who started this rumour and can they positively say for sure that that's exactly what happened because if it didn't then we could be looking at libel here if a name slips out. And what should we do? Sack the teacher and give everyone everywhere who took the exam free passes as compensation? Following on from from what blank bluntly said - you won't fail the exam on either of the above, you'll fail 'cos you probably didn't put the hours in and learn your subject and/or you shouldn't be at this level anyway.

    Examiners don't set out to deliberately trick people as implied elsewhere. Yes they may set questions that make you think outside the box but what did those people expect? Exact duplicates of previous exams because that's all they'd learnt parrot fashion and they seem incapable of having thoughts alternative to those found in the text books? If only real life were as simple...

    I've rarely heard such lame excuses and the whole thing is ridiculous. I for one can't remember such inane comments after the last wave of exams back in December...

    Robert
  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    blobbyh wrote:
    I for one can't remember such inane comments after the last wave of exams back in December...

    PEV - uproar over page number wrong. Candidates had to turn the page and look for themselves...
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    Hmmmmm...... possibly, 'cos I can imagine that exam paper was a real thousand page "War and Peace" type epic and fancy putting page 667 when you meant page 666.

    Oh and let's not forget all those people who once didn't read through one of the papers first despite the same advice being written on the front of every single exam resulting in them missing out an entire section.

    Let's blame the AAT for all our other inadequacies, yeah?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    Blobbyh

    In answer to what is the main issue here, for me having started the thread the issue I have is that a tutor entered an exam hall and gave out information concerning the exam. This concern is a result of the following post

    Simbo
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    21/06/2007 17:06:28
    Re:Who thought PCR was POO POO? (Simbo)



    Oh but did anyone else struggle remembering how many grams were in a kilogram? That did throw me for a few minutes, don't think i've converted a gram to a kilogram since primary school. Our tutor actually came in after an hour and told everybody.




    It's certainly not a result of my feeling stupid for not knowing because I personaly am well aware of how many gm in a kg
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    i totally agree lynmi, how can a tutor give a candidate information like that in the exam ! and then the following questions arise

    1.What other information did he give them
    2.How long has this practice been in place
    3.What can the AAT and colleges do to ensure this doenst happen again.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    I agree with blank and lynmi.

    The main issue is why a tutor gave out information in an exam. The fact that the information should have been known by candidates sitting the exam is irrelevant.

    Blobbyh, I think you have missed the point of the thread, nobody is making excuses, NVQ level 4 candidates should know how many grams are in a kilogram. Surley you can see that people are annoyed by the allegation that a tutor gave information to candidates in an exam, which is a clear brake of the exam rules.

    We are all members of, or trying to become members of the AAT, as a professional organisation any break of the rules involving our organisation should be investgated.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    Hi Sam

    I think you have made a vital point there.

    No matter how insignificant it was, cheating is cheating. If it is student to student ok that could be overlook, but for tutor who is expected to adhere to ethic I think aat should investigate. :!:

    Lizy
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    No, I don't believe I have missed the point of this thread at all and I'm quite sure the 'incident' - if it actually happened at all (and many of us find it hard to believe it did since it would have involved not only one professional teacher but also at least one and possibly two exam invigilators, all of whom would surely have known better) - will be thoroughly investigated by the AAT without the need for any other intervention.

    Robert
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    Not sure which is more shocking:

    1. Allegation / claim that tutor offered assistance to candidates during an examination sitting.

    2. Candidates at this level not knowing how many grams there are in a kilogram.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    Nimrod wrote:
    Not sure which is more shocking:

    1. Allegation / claim that tutor offered assistance to candidates during an examination sitting.

    2. Candidates at this level not knowing how many grams there are in a kilogram.


    Three lines that summed it up. Thank you Nimrod.
  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    Yeah - Well done!
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    Paul22 wrote:
    How about if a question had used the term £5k?

    Good analogy! Good point, well made.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    CJC wrote:
    Unless we're talking 5kB :)

    Ah, but that is still 5000 bytes (5120 in reality, ho hum)!
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    I agree with the person who said why did the tutor feel they needed to give out this information.
    I think if I had sat in that centre, I would have been agreived at being disturbed during my exam time to be given info I already knew (apparently it was shouted out?).
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    This is a joke, I can not believe that "students"!!! do not know how many grams are in a KILO. This is serious, it's used EVERYWHERE in the world. I suppose this is showing British ignorance, knowing only their own "pounds"... Everywhere you go in the world every one is expected to speak ENGLISH , so why can't English learn something what is used all over the world. I am furios at the individuals who actually had a cheek to bring this up! A joke! Go back to school with the 5 year olds...

    and yes I am not British.
  • System
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    I think I'd be worried if that was my tutor.

    What an insult to assume that their students didn't know how many grams were in a kilo.

  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    I think that the tutor felt sorry for some of the numties who did not know that Kilo is 1000 grams, I agree it should not happen in an exam (tutor advising students)and is unfair...however....metric is used all over the world.
  • System
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    Who'd have thought we could get such mileage out of a few kilometres...?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    Hang on here, let's go back to the original quote from Simbo...
    Simbo wrote:
    Shortly after the exam started, somebody walked to the front with paper in hand, I assume to ask the question. It wasn't for another 45 minutes or so when the tutor walked in and shouted it out. It did seem a little strange but i'd guess he had been to make a phone call to check it would be ok.

    Reading the above, I gather for myself that it appears to have actually NOT been a tutor but rather one of the exam invigilators - who may even have obtained the correct authorisation first.

    Doesn't this prove that things can be misunderstood by some people, wild assumptions made by others and that many believe what they want to believe without thoroughly checking first?

    Robert
  • System
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    Does say tutor.
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
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    I know it says tutor but have you ever known a tutor to sit in on a central examination - I haven't - nor is it inconceivable that it's just a poor choice of wording by simba...?
  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    blobbyh wrote:
    Hang on here, let's go back to the original quote from Simbo...
    Simbo wrote:
    Shortly after the exam started, somebody walked to the front with paper in hand, I assume to ask the question. It wasn't for another 45 minutes or so when the tutor walked in and shouted it out. It did seem a little strange but i'd guess he had been to make a phone call to check it would be ok.

    Reading the above, I gather for myself that it appears to have actually NOT been a tutor but rather one of the exam invigilators - who may even have obtained the correct authorisation first.

    Doesn't this prove that things can be misunderstood by some people, wild assumptions made by others and that many believe what they want to believe without thoroughly checking first?

    Robert
    there is no justification for giving candidates information like that, when the question has been written specifically to test candidates.

    Like i said i think the college should be named and shamed
  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam

    Can you see the AAT authorising to break an exam rule in 45 minutes?

    I don't think any wild assumptions have been made - only that allegedly an exam rule has been broken, and that has encouraged a discussion.

    I am sure the AAT will investigate this, but in my opinion, how ever small the information given was, an exam rule has still been broken.
  • System
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    It mentions that the tutor came in after 45 mins - maybe they received calls from the AAT and had to come in?

    If so, why didn't they enter all the exams?
  • System
    System Posts: 100,534 πŸ€– Admin πŸ€–
    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    rwp wrote:
    Can you see the AAT authorising to break an exam rule in 45 minutes?

    I don't think any wild assumptions have been made - only that allegedly an exam rule has been broken, and that has encouraged a discussion.

    I am sure the AAT will investigate this, but in my opinion, how ever small the information given was, an exam rule has still been broken.

    You're the ones assuming an exam rule was broken, not me, and have created a whole thread of - quite frankly - juvenile hysteria with a lynch mob mentality about a situation that not a single damn one of you has the full facts or inside knowledge about.

    All I'm questioning is that it might have been the exam invigilator themselves who went to check if the disclosure of arguably non-relevant information was okay before passing it on. Why is this so hard to
    grasp while you're busy blathering on about conspiracy theories and naming and shaming colleges?

    If this is all you had to worry about, then clearly you all passed your exams and can move on to wherever the hell you're going next... good luck.
  • System
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    Re:Re tutor giving information during PCR exam
    blobbyh wrote:
    clearly you all passed your exams

    when do we here?

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