# VAT Cut

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VAT is being slashed to 15% as of 1st December...

... Does anyone know if this will affect our Dec exams?

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I hope not I don't know how to work out 15% VAT

I think it would be too short notice to change it now but they may do.
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say ยฃ100

100 x 0.15 = 15
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It wouldn't be hard to work out, is just a habbit which would be hard to break.. especially at such short notice!

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Hi

Anyone care to post some useful formulas for converting vat at 15%please. Obviously can x by 1.15, but my brains never been good at working things out backwards, so whats the formula to work out how much vat has been included in a total amount.

Thanks, probably being a thickie but I'm sure lots of us would be extremely grateful!!!

Trace
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Bah, this also discards the trusty old 747 method to calculate the VAT element in any given amount (quick lesson for those who never learnt this; you could, for example, multiply 100 by 7 divide by 47 and you'd get the correct amount of ยฃ14.89).

Can anyone be bothered to work out the new equivalent? We'll also need to learn how to reprogram all those calculators with Tax + & - buttons. Mines a "permanently borrowed" Casio DF-120TE if anyone would like to help me?
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Hi

Just found out that to find out how much the Vat is in a total figure you divide the figure by 23 x 3.

Ie ยฃ115 /23 x 3 = ยฃ15

Trace
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Ah, got it and this answers your question Columbia. 747 has now become 646.

To get the VAT element in say ยฃ100, multiply 100 by 6 then divide by 46 to equal ยฃ13.04. You can check this by multiplying the net amount of ยฃ86.96 by 15% (or 1.15) to arrive back at ยฃ100.
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Thanks Robert

My calculator has decided to give up the ghost this evening due to lack of bright light in my house (blooming energy saving light bulbs - they are almost as dim as me!!) so I haven't been able to play around with the figures yet, but thanks a lot for your assistance.

Trace
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Or u could just do 115 / 1.15 = 100
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Believe me when you are doing it constantly and in a hurry 3/23 is a quicker way - less figures to plug into the calculator!
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so is this some time of joke ? they are changing the vat ?

just got used to it in my new job ?
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Yeah, look on the news.. it's being cut from 1st Dec 08 for 13 months
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Hey, the real fun's yet to come when we're loading UK sales and purchase invoices at differing VAT rates and our systems can only automatically handle one. All that lovely manual VAT adjusting that'll make you glad of that 323 (or 646) formula! All those lovely requests for credit notes, for and against. All those people that will have to redesign their VAT invoices and finally show the rates as they're legally obliged to but they never bothered!

Can't wait!
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gonna make them vat returns fun all 50 of them i do lets hope sage get their act together in time
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A-Vic wrote: ยป
gonna make them vat returns fun all 50 of them i do lets hope sage get their act together in time

oh B**llocks !!!!
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I think that you can add different tax level oonto sage yourselves so they might not give out updates straight away. The main difference the VAT change will make is causing us lot a load of hassel as we have invoices already sent out which will cross over the change. Going to have to ring the VAt office and see what they suggest as our contracts state a final payment on it which the customer has signed to say they will pay so does that mean that we make more on it?
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Poodle posted a great link over on the serious side of the forum yesterday. I must have been bored last night as I read all of it!

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pbr2008/vat-guide-det.pdf
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oh B**llocks !!!!

lol that was exactly my responce lol
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o what fun also doing returns for pubs gas stations ect i also have to separate from 17.5 and 15% - at least its only a year hey by then i would have won the euro lottery quit work and moved to the baharmas
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Ah, got it and this answers your question Columbia. 747 has now become 646.

To get the VAT element in say ยฃ100, multiply 100 by 6 then divide by 46 to equal ยฃ13.04. You can check this by multiplying the net amount of ยฃ86.96 by 15% (or 1.15) to arrive back at ยฃ100.

Marvellous!!!

I actually whooped and clapped when I read this! The marvels of mathematics - in making all our lives easier!!

I presume Returns for VAT quarters that cross over December, will be made up from both VAT Rates, depending on the date of the Sales and Purchase invoices!
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Yeah, if you have a cross over (fortunately I don't), you will need to work it out on 2 rates, I really sympathise with anyone in this situation.

I have some formulas below to help anyone who wants to work out vat, as we have all been so used to the 7/47ths......

Vat from Gross Gross/23*3
Gross from Vat Vat/3*23
Net from Gross Gross/1.15
Gross from Net Net*1.15

Good luck everyone!!!