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  • Kate9986
    Kate9986 Registered Posts: 16 New contributor 🐸
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    im dreading my resit!!!! think ive buggered it all by not adding in the benefits in the employment calc.... so my income tax workins were all on basic rate.... seems like I had most other things correct though, what do you think pass or fail???? Cant believe I made such a stupid mistake :mad2:
  • alicemaylara
    alicemaylara Registered Posts: 259 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    Kate9986 wrote: »
    im dreading my resit!!!! think ive buggered it all by not adding in the benefits in the employment calc.... so my income tax workins were all on basic rate.... seems like I had most other things correct though, what do you think pass or fail???? Cant believe I made such a stupid mistake :mad2:

    Im not sure, i guess if you did the calculation correctly and you did the computation according to your answer you should only be penalised once, not sure if you will get another for not including gift aid but technically you did right to leave it as he was basic rate in your computation...im not sure :confused:
  • Kate9986
    Kate9986 Registered Posts: 16 New contributor 🐸
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    I put that the tax band was increased due to the gift aid payments... and the figure it increased to! Dont know how i missed it:huh:
    Sounds like you did well - are you cracking open the wine tonight?:thumbup:
  • alicemaylara
    alicemaylara Registered Posts: 259 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    I dont drink!
    Im more of a chocolatey person!
    I wont celebrate till i see my results because im one of these people who make stupid mistakes!
    Im sure you'll be fine aswell, its so easy to miss adding benefit i did it in my mock! :thumbup1:
  • Kate9986
    Kate9986 Registered Posts: 16 New contributor 🐸
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    well fingers crossed until the 17th of August :001_unsure:
  • diamondavid
    diamondavid Registered Posts: 33 Regular contributor ⭐
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    this probs isnt very optimistic, but is the tax rate gonna b the same for DEC 2009 exam? :tongue_smilie:
  • Kate9986
    Kate9986 Registered Posts: 16 New contributor 🐸
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    Yep think they will -did you do ok then?
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    Kate9986 wrote: »
    I put that the tax band was increased due to the gift aid payments... and the figure it increased to! Dont know how i missed it:huh:
    Sounds like you did well - are you cracking open the wine tonight?:thumbup:
    Oh my god I can't belive that I missed the gift aid payments !!!

    Do you think thats a probable fail !!!
  • Richard
    Richard Registered Posts: 373 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    hanapospis wrote: »
    I take off only one year... as he had it in 2007/2008 and in 2008/2009 he bough it from employer

    I had benefit in kind of £2840 for it

    4800x20% = 960
    4800-960-1000 = 2840...

    I had the same as this - it confused me as they did not give the market value as at the date of sale.

    I kept changing my mind about the childcare, I decided not to include it, which I now think is wrong.
  • diamondavid
    diamondavid Registered Posts: 33 Regular contributor ⭐
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    Kate9986 wrote: »
    Yep think they will -did you do ok then?

    everything on benefit of kind is wrong, property i didnt add the decoration, other than that i cant think of any
  • Kate9986
    Kate9986 Registered Posts: 16 New contributor 🐸
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    I wouldnt worry to much Tracey if that was your only mistake it will be fine.... hopefully the pass rate wont be 2 high:001_tt2:
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    Can anyone remember what gain they got for selling the painting. (Not the insurance claim payment.)

    I apportioned the cost and restricted the profit and got a figure of £6666

    Does that sound familiar to any one ?????
  • nhlightnin
    nhlightnin Registered Posts: 4 New contributor 🐸
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    Richard wrote: »
    I had the same as this - it confused me as they did not give the market value as at the date of sale.

    I kept changing my mind about the childcare, I decided not to include it, which I now think is wrong.

    I had the previous years benefit as from 1st July for the stereo so I only put 960 x 10/12 = £800. The childcare I exempted because it said 'approved carer' but not sure
  • Richard
    Richard Registered Posts: 373 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    Can anyone remember what gain they got for selling the painting. (Not the insurance claim payment.)

    I apportioned the cost and restricted the profit and got a figure of £6666

    Does that sound familiar to any one ?????

    Yes!
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    Richard wrote: »
    Yes!
    Great Thanks For That !
  • diamondavid
    diamondavid Registered Posts: 33 Regular contributor ⭐
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    Can anyone remember what gain they got for selling the painting. (Not the insurance claim payment.)

    I apportioned the cost and restricted the profit and got a figure of £6666

    Does that sound familiar to any one ?????

    8k*(10k/10k+18k)=2857

    i didnt do (10000-6000)5/3 tho=6667, but u should use the lower figure, right?
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    nhlightnin wrote: »
    I had the previous years benefit as from 1st July for the stereo so I only put 960 x 10/12 = £800. The childcare I exempted because it said 'approved carer' but not sure
    I entered the childcare in the benefit assessment as an exempt amount as it was an approved minder.
  • richr74
    richr74 Registered Posts: 1 New contributor 🐸
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    My Answers (not all correct)

    Hi all, thought id post my answers as far as i can remember to see what you all think, i know there are a few mistakes and cant remember all of it.


    Task 1.1Benefits

    Car Price 18600 * 23% (15 + 8 additional) = 4278
    Fuel 16900 * 23% = 3887
    Total = 8165 (not sure if the list price was 18300 either)

    Also i never deducted £1200 as i thought they were running costs etc.. (1st Mistake)

    Asset

    4800 * 6/12 = 2400 (cant remember if this was 5,6 or 7 months but assuming 6)
    2400 - £1000 = 1400*20% = £280

    Total = 8445

    THIS IS DEFO WRONG,ha (great start to the paper)


    Task 1.2 Employment Income

    40000 * 9/12 = 30000
    42000 * 3/12 = 10500
    Total = 40500


    Task 1.3Computation of Taxable Income

    Total Non-Savings Savings Dividends
    Salary 40500 40500
    Pension (1620) (1620)
    Benefits 8445 8445
    Dividends 140 140
    Total 47465 47325 140
    Less PA (6035)
    Taxable Income 41430

    Note: your answers may be different as my Benefits are wrong


    Task 1.4 Net Income Tax Payable

    Taxable Income 41430
    Less Dividend (140)
    41290

    35700@20% = 7140 (Increased basic rate by £900 for Gift aid £75*12)
    5730 @40% = 2292
    140 @32.5%= 45.50
    = 9477.50
    - Tax Paid (14) (dividend)
    Tax Payable = 9463.50

    Note: your answers may be different as my Benefits are wrong


    Task 1.5 Email

    Notes that you will say in the email.

    Think i wrote 4 or 5 along the lines of.

    1) Importance of filling out a correct Tax Return
    2) consequences of filling out an incorrect Tax Return
    3) How to get the Return amended and notifying HMRC
    4) Penalties Occured


    Task 1.6 Email 2

    Cant tell her anything because of confidentuality etc.......

    Hoping i have above 70% there, let me know what you think?



    Task 2.1 Shares

    Really cant remember this - I think i had the Cost of the Shares sold at 9035.

    Then obviously took this away from the Proceeds to give me my gain.


    Task 2.2 a) destroyed in fire

    Proceeds 48,000
    Cost (25,000)
    Gain 23,000

    Task 2.2 b) Vintage Rolls Royce

    Exempt


    Task 2.2 c) Painting

    10,000
    10,000+18,000 * 8,000

    = 2857


    Task 2.3 Net Taxable Gains

    Shares 8000 (just a rough amount)
    Insurance1 23,000
    Paintings 2857
    Total 33857
    Less AE (9600)
    24257
    Less Loss PY (15,000) (just a rough amout as cant remember exact figure)Net Tax Gains 9257


    Task 2.4 Capital Gains Tax Liability

    9257 * 18% = 1666

    Note: my answer was not exactly this as cant remember what i had for shares etc..


    Task 2.5 Net Income

    17 wood lane 42 something street
    Rent Income 6480 9600
    Council Tax (?) (?)
    Water Rates (?) (?)
    Something Else (?) (?)
    Decoration (?) (?)
    Cleaning (?) -
    Furtiture - Cant Include

    = Net......

    Cant remember the exact amounts but thats what my answer looked like.

    However i have made a mistake not including wear and tear for 42 something street.


    Task 2.6 Email

    On a whole explaine how if his earnings were below 34800 the tax implications would not change but if there were for e.g. £50,000 then whatever he paid into his pension e.g. 3000 would increase his basic rate by £3000 also allowing him to pay 20% tax on my income untill paying 40% tax band.

    But this was worded better and lasted a full sheet of A4.


    Let me know your thoughts and if would of passed this section?

    Thanks

    Enjoy
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    8k*(10k/10k+18k)=2857

    i didnt do (10000-6000)5/3 tho=6667, but u should use the lower figure, right?
    Thats the calc I used for the apportioned cost then I restricted the profit :-

    £10,000 - £6000 x5/3

    Which gave me the £6666 as my gain
  • diamondavid
    diamondavid Registered Posts: 33 Regular contributor ⭐
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    Thats the calc I used for the apportioned cost then I restricted the profit :-

    £10,000 - £6000 x5/3

    Which gave me the £6666 as my gain

    nononono, i dont think thats right, dont quote me on it, but im 80% sure
  • Richard
    Richard Registered Posts: 373 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    8k*(10k/10k+18k)=2857

    i didnt do (10000-6000)5/3 tho=6667, but u should use the lower figure, right?

    2857 was the cost, not the gain. Therefore 10,000 - 2,857 gave a gain of 7142, which was restricted to 6,667 due to 5/3 x (10000 - 6000)
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    nononono, i dont think thats right, dont quote me on it, but im 80% sure
    Oh dear !!!

    £8000 x £10,000/£10,000 + £18,000 = £2857 (Rounded Down)

    Proceeds £10,000
    Less Cost (£2857)
    £7,143

    Restricted to 5/3 (£10,000 -£6000) = £6666 Rounded down

    The reason being that he was making a profit on a chattel that had cost under £6,000

    Was I way off ???????
  • diamondavid
    diamondavid Registered Posts: 33 Regular contributor ⭐
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    oops, like i said b4, if i passed PEV i dont mind resitting PTC:crying:

    i better go now, its ruining my fri night LMAO
  • alicemaylara
    alicemaylara Registered Posts: 259 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    Thats the calc I used for the apportioned cost then I restricted the profit :-

    £10,000 - £6000 x5/3

    Which gave me the £6666 as my gain

    I dont think thats the right calcualtoin because the amounts sold for anfd purchased were above £6000 so you just do it like normal, you only do that if the bought it for less than £6000 and sold for more than £6000

    aso its a apart sale so you have to do

    Costs of whole purchase * gross proceeds/gross proceeds+mv of rest of asset

    £8000 x £10,000/£10,000 + £18,000 = £2857 (Rounded Down)

    Proceeds £10,000
    Less Cost (£2857)
    £7,143
  • Richard
    Richard Registered Posts: 373 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    I dont think thats the right calcualtoin because the amounts sold for anfd purchased were above £6000 so you just do it like normal, you only do that if the bought it for less than £6000 and sold for more than £6000

    aso its a apart sale so you have to do

    Costs of whole purchase * gross proceeds/gross proceeds+mv of rest of asset

    £8000 x £10,000/£10,000 + £18,000 = £2857 (Rounded Down)

    Proceeds £10,000
    Less Cost (£2857)
    £7,143

    Does that not make it qualify for the 5/3 x (Proceeds - 6,000) as it becomes a chattel sold at a gain for over £6,000?
  • alicemaylara
    alicemaylara Registered Posts: 259 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    Mmmmmmm, im not sure that seems rather confusing. Oh no i dont no know! :laugh:

    I think because they gave the amount for the 3 paintings it was trying to make you use the part sale equation i could be wrong though
  • mcfcdave
    mcfcdave Registered Posts: 2 New contributor 🐸
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    I think Tracy is correct,as I've checked the tutorial book.Don't worry though cos I got the same as you..£7143.
    I also missed childcare from Benefits in Kind and Redecoration from property expense.
    Probably some more as well.
    I'll just have to wait until August, as reading more & more on here is likely to make me spot more mistakes and do my head in even more.
  • alicemaylara
    alicemaylara Registered Posts: 259 Dedicated contributor 🦉
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    mcfcdave wrote: »
    I think Tracy is correct,as I've checked the tutorial book.Don't worry though cos I got the same as you..£7143.
    I also missed childcare from Benefits in Kind and Redecoration from property expense.
    Probably some more as well.
    I'll just have to wait until August, as reading more & more on here is likely to make me spot more mistakes and do my head in even more.

    I agreee! I am now not going to look at this thread...promise!
  • funnyclaire
    funnyclaire Registered Posts: 5 New contributor 🐸
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    Did anyone make an adjustment for the sound system for:

    The 10 months already assessed in 07/08 (Jun-Mar)
    The 6 mths in 08/09
    Then less the £1000 paid by employee?

    I have checked out the following:

    The Childcare amount is not assessable as it is less than £55 per week.

    The £100 per month for car use should have been deducted from the benefit calculated.

    The basic rate threshold should have been extended by the gross Gift Aid amount x 100/80.

    Just looked up about insurance claims and it is treated as sale proceeds - this was the only thing I wasn't sure about as not covered this on my Distance Learning course but feel happier having now checked this.

    The paintings calculation did need to be restricted to 5/3 x proceeds - 6000 as only the total of 3 painting was over 6000.

    The redecoration and cleaning of properties are allowable expenses.

    The furniture is classed as capital expenditure and should not be allowed as an expense.

    Fingers crossed for August - this was my final exam!!!!
  • Tracy Keeley
    Tracy Keeley Registered Posts: 29 Regular contributor ⭐
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    I agreee! I am now not going to look at this thread...promise!
    I think it's the worst thing to do, I came out of the exam full of confidence and now I'm going to be nervous in August waiting for my results as I have know picked up on some errors I made.

    Why do we do it to ourselves !!!!!

    Looks like I will be seeing you on the forum waiting for our results in August !!

    Can't even have a glass of wine to relax as I'm pregnant.
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