why AAT accountants are only required for Accounts Assistant jobs?!??

LondinaLondina Experienced MentorPosts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
If you put AAT in the keyboards search, these are the jobs coming up, how come?? I don't want to be an Accounts Assistant/Assistant Accountant forever, which other position an AAT qualified can do without the word "assistant"???:mad2:
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  • BluewednesdayBluewednesday Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,624Registered
    Don't be so picky - it's only a name!
  • Bookworm55Bookworm55 Trusted Regular Posts: 479Registered
    It's just a title, it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

    I do think there's an element of expecting people who intend to progress to higher level roles doing higher qualifications though. So maybe the jobs you're probably thinking of are being advertised as ACCA-part-qualified or CIMA part-qualified rather than just "AAT qualified"?
  • Londina wrote: »
    If you put AAT in the keyboards search, these are the jobs coming up, how come?? I don't want to be an Accounts Assistant/Assistant Accountant forever, which other position an AAT qualified can do without the word "assistant"???:mad2:

    You may be slightly disillusioned.

    I will agree with you that an AAT qualified person really shouldn't be doing an Accounts Assistant job (unless they want to) but as for an Assistant Accountant, that is perfectly ok.

    I do not know of anybody who works as an employee accountant who holds that title and is not CCAB qualified or almost qualified.

    I’m AAT qualified and studying CIMA and I work as an Assistant Management Accountant. There is no way that I would get the title Management Accountant with just being AAT qualified and to be honest I wouldn’t have accepted it anyway as I don’t feel as I have earned it as I am not that far into CIMA.

    You also have to remember that the title is not everything. It’s the job specification that counts.
  • Bookworm55Bookworm55 Trusted Regular Posts: 479Registered
    I will agree with you that an AAT qualified person really shouldn't be doing an Accounts Assistant job (unless they want to) but as for an Assistant Accountant, that is perfectly ok.

    I'm curious, what do you consider the difference between the two? Is there something you consider AAT-qualifieds "too senior" for?

    I do agree that the title isn't usually that important, but it seems like you're emphasising a difference between Accounts Assistant and Assistant Accountant. I'm looking for work at the moment and I'm applying for things with a wide range of titles, including both the above.
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    Sorry but for me it's not just a title, when you work in an organisation and your job title has the word "assistant", they undermind you or tend to treat you as admin person...this is what is happening in my company (and previous one) and I'm fed with it.

    I've been studying hard for this qualification and would appreciate a bit of credit from others!
  • BluewednesdayBluewednesday Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,624Registered
    Well I'm CCAB qualified and my job title is still assistant accountant, my boss is the accountant, I don't have a problem with it
  • PGMPGM Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,954Registered
    Londina wrote: »
    Sorry but for me it's not just a title, when you work in an organisation and your job title has the word "assistant", they undermind you or tend to treat you as admin person...this is what is happening in my company (and previous one) and I'm fed with it.

    I've been studying hard for this qualification and would appreciate a bit of credit from others!

    Whats wrong with being treated like an assistant?

    I did what was necessary, and alone with qualifications its paid off in the long run.
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    PGM wrote: »
    Whats wrong with being treated like an assistant?

    I did what was necessary, and alone with qualifications its paid off in the long run.

    When my job descriptions is to prepare financial statements (like any accountant qualified) but others just think you are an admin person because you are an "assistant", yes I think this is wrong, felt like I'm lower than them, when I'm not.
  • We may have had this discussion before but I have said in the past the following statements:

    Accounts Assistant - Purchase / Sales Ledger, Payroll, General office duties etc.

    Assistant Accountant - Month / Year end, MI reporting etc.

    You will find that if you look on a job site under both titles, you will see a segregation of duties.
  • lorklork Feels At Home Posts: 97Registered
    Don Juan wrote: »
    I do not know of anybody who works as an employee accountant who holds that title and is not CCAB qualified or almost qualified.

    My boss is the company accountant and is only AAT qualified. (It is a fairly small company, though).
  • lork wrote: »
    My boss is the company accountant and is only AAT qualified. (It is a fairly small company, though).

    I was thinking more like £50m plus t/o company.
  • NeilHNeilH Trusted Regular Posts: 547Registered
    Don Juan wrote: »
    We may have had this discussion before but I have said in the past the following statements:

    Accounts Assistant - Purchase / Sales Ledger, Payroll, General office duties etc.

    Assistant Accountant - Month / Year end, MI reporting etc.

    You will find that if you look on a job site under both titles, you will see a segregation of duties.

    Titles shmikles!

    In a previous job I was Financial Accountant and "only" AAT qualified. I've also had jobs were I was "Accounts Assistant" and oversaw the PL as opposed to actually doing it and did month end as well as year end, management reporting and analysis etc.

    Titles are banded around these days and cloud the job market to the point where the title itself has become meaningless - how many times have I been in to shops and served by the Saturday guy call a "Consultant"?

    Neil
  • NeilH wrote: »
    Titles shmikles!

    In a previous job I was Financial Accountant and "only" AAT qualified. I've also had jobs were I was "Accounts Assistant" and oversaw the PL as opposed to actually doing it and did month end as well as year end, management reporting and analysis etc.

    Titles are banded around these days and cloud the job market to the point where the title itself has become meaningless - how many times have I been in to shops and served by the Saturday guy call a "Consultant"?

    Neil

    Must be different outside of Yorkshire.
  • jorja1986jorja1986 Well-Known Posts: 210Registered
    I used to know someone who was a Finance Controller and only had Foundation level AAT & no experience. It is entirely dependant on what a company sees fit to call an individual in the job.

    As Neil H suggested job titles are banded around to almost meaningless proportions.

    Surely you should concentrate more on job specifcation than titles? If you are accounts assistant but are preparing TB'S, reports clearing debtors/suppliers etc, managing people and other financial reporting & jobs, it is preferable to being an accountants assistant, who you may become general dogsbody for and have no proper financial responsibility? (I have been both and being the accounts assistant has provided more responsibility, albeit it is different companies).
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    Don Juan wrote: »
    We may have had this discussion before but I have said in the past the following statements:
    Accounts Assistant - Purchase / Sales Ledger, Payroll, General office duties etc.
    Assistant Accountant - Month / Year end, MI reporting etc.

    Nothing wrong with these job descriptions, what about when someone comes to you asking to call a DHL, or write a letter for them, or making a phonecall for them, is this not irritating? You work in accounts, not admin...but because there is the word "assistant" in your job title, then they think you are here to assist everybody.....

    This is the point of my post
  • speegsspeegs Experienced Mentor Posts: 854Registered
    I am an MAAT and my position is Senior Accountant.
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    speegs wrote: »
    I am an MAAT and my position is Senior Accountant.

    Are you only AAT qualified? no chartered/graduated?..
  • PGMPGM Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,954Registered
    Londina wrote: »
    Are you only AAT qualified? no chartered/graduated?..

    I'm same. But now also part qualified for chartered.
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    that's why your position is Senior Accountant, because you have something else apart from the AAT...

    Cannot be a senior with the AAT on its own...
  • Paul24Paul24 Experienced Mentor Posts: 578Registered
    I think a lot of the 'problems' with job titles come down to the persons ego. I never understand why it matters to some people how others perceive them because of something as arbitrary as a title. Im an assistant accountant for a listed company, and I fully respect my senior colleagues because when it comes down to it, regardless of how much I value my AAT qualification, it doesnt compare to what these guys can do with a CCAB. Hence the reason many people, myself included continue with CIMA/ACCA on completion of AAT.
  • GreenMouseyGreenMousey Well-Known Posts: 154Registered
    I think it does come down to arrogance, my official job title is "credit controller" however, I do everything from credit control to wages, journals to month and year end reports and TB's. I don't care what my job title is, it's what you make of the job that counts.
  • LeeS2009LeeS2009 Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,515Registered
    Londina wrote: »
    that's why your position is Senior Accountant, because you have something else apart from the AAT...

    Cannot be a senior with the AAT on its own...

    I personally believe its not what letters somebody has after their name that decides their job title, its the person and character. If you have your AAT and then get your CIMA the most you might get is to a management accountant.....and thats fine, many people would be happy with that....I am a firm believer that a person defines a role and not a role defines a person. if a person continually does what a management accountant does then thats all they ever will be.

    But if your a different type of character...you might take it upon yourself to do a critical analysis project in your own time of clients or your organisation or even your own position...develop improvements and proposals which will benefit you, your position, your boss, your department, your clients, your organisation etc..... see what i am saying....no matter what role a person does....a certain type of person will transform that role into something bigger and better regardless of the title of the role, because those types of people wont be held down by monotonous tasks...they need more and they are instantly recognisable by senior management.

    what type of person are you? are you someone who takes a role and transforms it into your own role or someone that just does it, just like everyone else. Please understand that most people are happy with the work they do and are happy with what they have got, some people are even grateful, but you seem to be unhappy about something really unimportant, if you really are a high flier and deserve more recognition then these people usually use actions rather than words.
    Hope what I have said has made sense to you :lol::lol:
    Good luck!
  • Paul24Paul24 Experienced Mentor Posts: 578Registered
    LeeS2009 wrote: »
    If you have your AAT and then get your CIMA the most you might get is to a management accountant.....

    Im assuming this is a mistake?
  • LeeS2009LeeS2009 Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 1,515Registered
    Paul24 wrote: »
    Im assuming this is a mistake?

    no paul, I know 2 named management accountants who have their specific roles and dont really deviate much from that...CIMA qualified...happy doing just what they are doing with 9-5 jobs and no weekends earning a nice little salary. thats it, and they are happy.....and thats what i meant by that comment.

    not that being a management accountant is the most you can get because you could go on to be a DOF or whatever....what that comment meant was if thats as far as you want it to take you...that can be the most you ever achieve with the qualification. Confirming the fact that its not letters after your name that dictates how far you go its the person.

    apologies if the earlier comment didnt make that more clear.
  • Paul24Paul24 Experienced Mentor Posts: 578Registered
    No I just wanted to clarify, I gleaned from reading your other comments that it was probably me perceiving it wrongly.

    I agree with your comments.
  • LeeS2009 wrote: »
    I personally believe its not what letters somebody has after their name that decides their job title, its the person and character. If you have your AAT and then get your CIMA the most you might get is to a management accountant.....and thats fine, many people would be happy with that....I am a firm believer that a person defines a role and not a role defines a person. if a person continually does what a management accountant does then thats all they ever will be.

    But if your a different type of character...you might take it upon yourself to do a critical analysis project in your own time of clients or your organisation or even your own position...develop improvements and proposals which will benefit you, your position, your boss, your department, your clients, your organisation etc..... see what i am saying....no matter what role a person does....a certain type of person will transform that role into something bigger and better regardless of the title of the role, because those types of people wont be held down by monotonous tasks...they need more and they are instantly recognisable by senior management.

    what type of person are you? are you someone who takes a role and transforms it into your own role or someone that just does it, just like everyone else. Please understand that most people are happy with the work they do and are happy with what they have got, some people are even grateful, but you seem to be unhappy about something really unimportant, if you really are a high flier and deserve more recognition then these people usually use actions rather than words.
    Hope what I have said has made sense to you :lol::lol:
    Good luck!

    :thumbup1: Strongly agree.
  • NeilHNeilH Trusted Regular Posts: 547Registered
    Londina wrote: »
    that's why your position is Senior Accountant, because you have something else apart from the AAT...

    Cannot be a senior with the AAT on its own...

    A previous FD of mine was "only" AAT qualified. When he left the company took on a CIMA qualified (although their experience was more important) yet the previous "AAT" FD could have run circles around him in some areas, particularly with gernal business and management issues.

    Neil
  • AK002AK002 Font Of All Knowledge Posts: 2,492Registered
    Technically you're actually a Technician.

    TBH i don't caer what title i've been given.. there are worse things happening than being called an Assistant..
  • LondinaLondina Experienced Mentor Posts: 814MAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant
    Paul24 wrote: »
    Im an assistant accountant for a listed company, and I fully respect my senior colleagues because when it comes down to it, regardless of how much I value my AAT qualification, it doesnt compare to what these guys can do with a CCAB.

    Read properly my previous post, I didn't say I don't respect senior colleagues, I said other colleagues don't recognise my position and give me admin tasks just because I'm an assistant, they think I assist everybody, when I want to assist only the accoutants!!!
    LeeS2009 wrote: »
    Please understand that most people are happy with the work they do and are happy with what they have got, some people are even grateful, but you seem to be unhappy about something really unimportant

    You too Lee, please read what I said before, I'm happy with my job, I love work in accounts, but just accounts, I don't like when I've been given admin jobs when it's not my job!!!
  • Paul24Paul24 Experienced Mentor Posts: 578Registered
    Then it sounds like either the job doesnt suit your needs, or there is some management in the company. Can you take it up with your supervisor?
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