What is the point in passing AAT?
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messedup89 wrote: »p.s surely you seem intelligent enough to make up your own mind wether its worth you studying the qualification by going off your own thoughts and future plans and not that of others
I've got an idea yes, but I want a better idea.0 -
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messedup89 wrote: »only the old ones. And that suggest the boys look like girls, and the girls look like girls-which should suggest im a girl
lol. Honestly, I didn't look at that picture properly, but instinctively I thought it was Squall, or another one of the male FF heroes! lol0 -
messedup89 wrote: »no one elses opinion matters but your own
If only that was true.0 -
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messedup89 wrote: »No way! the face is too feminine for squall. Although the hair looks like it. The one on my actual profile is Tifa
lol, that's true thinking about it, but I haven't played FF for ages and at a glance, I just thought it was one of those ridiculously feminine-looking FF heroes. lol.0 -
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messedup89 wrote: »hmmmmm which one?
Erm... I don't even know, but for some reason that's the perception of Japanese computer adventure game heroes I've developed! lol0 -
Erm... I don't even know, but for some reason that's the perception of Japanese computer adventure game heroes I've developed! lol
lol true. tends to be the main characters. But not all. Sephiroth? Barret? Auron? Wakka? (i know none of them are main, but they are clearly men). On the otherhand; Squall, Zidane, Tidus, Vaan, Kuja (clearly feminine)0 -
lol. Sephiroth's a great character. At least some look like men. lol. It's interesting that oriental culture portrays heroes as those feminine-looking characters. Where did they get that from?!?!0
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I better talk to you later. Need to get back to work, but nice distraction though! Thanks. lol.0
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... instead of addressing the points I made, Blobby chose to make a demeaning remark about my post count and say 'yeah, why don't you just give up if you think it's worthless'. The logical conclusion is he can't refute my suggestion that the qualification might be a waste of time and money
I chose not to address your core point about the value of the qualification as I have published my own opinion on this many times elsewhere on the forum and that wasn't the issue I was responding to. This was merely in response to your own unnecessary off thread comments about someone else's spelling and grammar. The post count remark was relevant since it is considered bad etiquette on most forums when irregular contributors come on and and choose to attack long time posters over such trivial issues.0 -
I chose not to address your core point about the value of the qualification as I have published my own opinion on this many times elsewhere on the forum and that wasn't the issue I was responding to. This was merely in response to your own unnecessary off thread comments about someone else's spelling and grammar. The post count remark was relevant since it is considered bad etiquette on most forums when irregular contributors come on and and choose to attack long time posters over such trivial issues.
Erm.. actually, you chose to address the core point with a pathetic 'yeah, why don't you just give up statement'. Cheers for that. At least you've got a high post count though.0 -
JFC... another one. I made the statement maybe you should give up if you think you could get nothing out of it which isn't the same core point of whether the qualification is worth it as clearly it is to very many people.0
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Reassuring Advice Regarding Experience and the AAT qualification
Hi,
I qualified last June 2009. It is definitely worth doing the AAT qualification and it will be your passport to a future job. The AAT NVQ level 3 carries more educational points than an A grade A level and the NVQ level 4 technician level is as good as the second year of an honours degree.
DONT GIVE UP NOW. The AAT qualification is preparing you for what is ahead and the principles you have leaned will make you a much better accountant than unqualified and a lot of qualified accountants. I have experienced this personally.
However, there are AAT students who feel that once you have finished the studying, it guarantees you a job position and possibly put your feet up and stop studying.
What I suggest you do is call local Chartered Accountancy practices and offer your skills free for 1 month on a part time basis. Make sure you have a suit and tie ready to respond to any offers!
The employer can then assess your skills, your ability and willingness to learn and your commitment to your appearance etc, etc.
If for example your appearance declines from suit and tie to jeans and a t-shirt or you quickly become bored of the job, then you need to re-think your position.
Most employers will take you on, given the offer of free work.
If you work at an accountancy practice for 6 months (even accepting a lower paid position) I can assure you that you will be a much better accountant. Your C.V will be much better as you will have leaned a lot of techniques and the use of software, both of which will get you well respected in a workplace.
This is how I got a job, so I can assure you it works.
I hope this advice helps.
Regards
Richard0 -
Hi,
I qualified last June 2009. It is definitely worth doing the AAT qualification and it will be your passport to a future job. The AAT NVQ level 3 carries more educational points than an A grade A level and the NVQ level 4 technician level is as good as the second year of an honours degree.
DONT GIVE UP NOW. The AAT qualification is preparing you for what is ahead and the principles you have leaned will make you a much better accountant than unqualified and a lot of qualified accountants. I have experienced this personally.
However, there are AAT students who feel that once you have finished the studying, it guarantees you a job position and possibly put your feet up and stop studying.
What I suggest you do is call local Chartered Accountancy practices and offer your skills free for 1 month on a part time basis. Make sure you have a suit and tie ready to respond to any offers!
The employer can then assess your skills, your ability and willingness to learn and your commitment to your appearance etc, etc.
If for example your appearance declines from suit and tie to jeans and a t-shirt or you quickly become bored of the job, then you need to re-think your position.
Most employers will take you on, given the offer of free work.
If you work at an accountancy practice for 6 months (even accepting a lower paid position) I can assure you that you will be a much better accountant. Your C.V will be much better as you will have leaned a lot of techniques and the use of software, both of which will get you well respected in a workplace.
This is how I got a job, so I can assure you it works.
I hope this advice helps.
Regards
Richard
Thank you Richard for your brilliant post. I am very encouraged that you think there's a reasonable chance of finding voluntary work with a chartered accountancy firm, as I have previously believed that this was something firms do not entertain.0 -
There are so many important skills that the AAT can't & shouldn't teach us which are expected in the workplace. Diplomacy, discretion & often charm are required in practice & PS work - it's about much more than making sure the bottom line balances ( not to mention the widely used art of 'creative accountancy').
My boss says the golden rule is "You always know the answer (make it up, subject to revision) & everything is under control". Best of luck!0 -
Thanks Andy. That's an interesting answer. Never heard of creative accountancy! New one to me. How difficult would you say it is finding voluntary accounts work?0
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Regarding Finding Work After Your Studies
In response to your messages,
"RowanB"....... Try calling some local practices tomorrow and I am sure you will get a positive response. You may have to wait till February for anyone to find time to see you but your calls will pay off. Call by telephone first and then follow any positive call with delivering your CV in person.
"Andypandy" ..........The ATT course is an accountancy based course and not designed to teach you about people management and customer care.
If you want to develop these areas you can to go to www.ifslearning.ac.uk where they offer distance learning courses on Customer Care. The IFS is a charity under Royal Charter, you can order the coursework on line.
You can develop customer care by study and then put it to practice in the work place.
At your stage you should concentrate on developing your accountancy skills and let other staff deal with customers as they are employed to do so.
I hope this post helps.
Regards
Richard0 -
Thank you for your kind words. I have tried different way of approaching employers and found this method works best.Thank you Richard for your brilliant post. I am very encouraged that you think there's a reasonable chance of finding voluntary work with a chartered accountancy firm, as I have previously believed that this was something firms do not entertain.
Using this method you are likely to get some work with a small accountacy practice that can not afford to take on many people and will accept your offer of free work.
This will be a foot in the door for you and create a launch pad for better positions later0 -
Hi Richard!
Re people management - I was just pointing out that prospective employers may find people skills important (& was referring to directors/politicians rather than clients who need straight answers). The job isn't the straight forward work I imagined, presenting facts & information - there's alot of manipulation & power struggles in finance.0 -
Thank you for your kind words. I have tried different way of approaching employers and found this method works best.
Using this method you are likely to get some work with a small accountacy practice that can not afford to take on many people and will accept your offer of free work.
This will be a foot in the door for you and create a launch pad for better positions later
Wow. That is encouraging. Thanks mate! I have actually sent loads of spec. letters out and rang loads of accountancy firms, but I guess I just need to be persistent! I'm just going to keep ringing until I find the breakthrough!0 -
Searching for workWow. That is encouraging. Thanks mate! I have actually sent loads of spec. letters out and rang loads of accountancy firms, but I guess I just need to be persistent! I'm just going to keep ringing until I find the breakthrough!
Yes, you will have already found that sending letters and calling for paid positions does not yield many results. If you persist with calling and offering free work for a trial period, you will get results much quicker.0 -
Re: People MangementHi Richard!
Re people management - I was just pointing out that prospective employers may find people skills important (& was referring to directors/politicians rather than clients who need straight answers). The job isn't the straight forward work I imagined, presenting facts & information - there's alot of manipulation & power struggles in finance.
Hi, yes,
you are right. However, at your level (I presume you are looking for work) you don't need to concern yourself with office politics. If you just do your job well you will distance yourself from a lot of this and earn yourself respect in the workplace. When you undertake accountancy you need to make it clear to others that it is a position of responsibility and hard work and not a opportunity to involve yourself in office politics.0 -
Hi Richard,
Thanks for the reply. I'm working as a financial analyst at the moment so unfortunately am basing my views on everyday experiences (& also those of colleagues). I'm leaving soon to join a large practice that will sponser my ACA exams, but a freind who's an ex-employee told me there's just as much heirarchy wrangling over there
At least I know what to expect!! 0 -
you sound just like a uni grad that spent 3 years on spending tax payers money to think you are better than those that had the sense to go out, get work, start from the bottom and study at the same time. just because you studyied doesn't automatically grant you a passage t a high up well paid job. infact, people like that dont know how it is in the real world. experience counts a lot to employers.
i am aware i had noexperience when i first started out and my employer doesnt require me to have a qualification but i do it to go with my experience, not instead of it0
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