Volcanic Silliness

CJCCJC Font Of All KnowledgeRegistered Posts: 1,657
Now this is moronic even by the standards of the increasingly bonkers Telegraph
The government agency was accused of using a scientific model based on “probability” rather than fact to forecast the spread of the volcanic ash cloud that made Europe a no-fly zone and ruined the plans of more than 2.5 million travellers in and out of Britain.

Damn scientists, how dare they? [splutter] A forecast? [turns purple with rage] Probability not facts? [head explodes]

If there are any Telegraph readers out there whose heads haven't exploded (an occupational hazard of reading the right-wing press) could they explain exactly how you're supposed forecast things without using a model and taking probability into account?

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  • burgburg Experienced Mentor GloucesterModerator, FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 1,440
    Simple just do nothing! then afterwards act upon the facts of the situation!
    Regards,

    Burg
  • RinskeRinske Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,453
    That's why some budge's always match exactly with the actual costs :lol:
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    What is annoying now is that they are going on about how grounding all planes was an 'overreaction' -

    If there is ANY doubt, they shouldnt fly - I understand that its disruptive and that its cause a lot of people problems.


    BUT if the ash had affected the planes engines, and caused them to crash in a nice big fireball, i'm sure they wouldnt have said it was an 'overreaction' then.
  • blobbyhblobbyh Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,415
    The way Nick Clegg's been acting lately, surely he must have a blue vest with a large S on the front hidden underneath his formal attire? Thus should any plane suddenly drop from the sky, he can quickly fly to the rescue and save millions from catastrophe.

    Will someone please put him back into his box before his head explodes?
  • CJCCJC Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,657
    I guess doing projected budgets and cash-flow forecasts is a waste of time. I should just wait until I've run out of money and then do something about it.
  • blobbyhblobbyh Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,415
    CJC wrote: »
    I guess doing projected budgets and cash-flow forecasts is a waste of time. I should just wait until I've run out of money and then do something about it.

    You mean just like the current government left wing people like youself voted into power, Chris?
  • burgburg Experienced Mentor GloucesterModerator, FMAAT, AAT Licensed Accountant Posts: 1,440
    JaffasGirl wrote: »
    What is annoying now is that they are going on about how grounding all planes was an 'overreaction' -

    If there is ANY doubt, they shouldnt fly - I understand that its disruptive and that its cause a lot of people problems.


    BUT if the ash had affected the planes engines, and caused them to crash in a nice big fireball, i'm sure they wouldnt have said it was an 'overreaction' then.

    Agree completely.

    However I was due to fly this morning at 8am. I left for the airport at 3:30 as it was still not cancelled. By the time we arrived at 4:45am it was cancelled. However the plane itself was going to fly just with no passengers. Now that was annoying. I'm now stuck at home trying to re-book / cancel instead of abroad in the sun chilling.
    Regards,

    Burg
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    i dont get why they are sending empty planes....surely there are people stuck in england that need to get to the countries they are flying to? cant they take them with them?

    i thought they were continuing flights as normal, and the people that are already delayed are the ones that are not flying just yet.
  • CJCCJC Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,657
    blobbyh wrote: »
    You mean just like the current government left wing people like youself voted into power, Chris?

    What has the anti-science (and indeed anti-sanity) loopiness of the Telegraph over forecasting has to do with the way I vote?
  • blobbyhblobbyh Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,415
    CJC wrote: »
    (an occupational hazard of reading the right-wing press)

    Probably your subjective opinion of a newspapers politics (and by assumption, that of their readers) in a scientific story?
  • anniemanniem Experienced Mentor Pewsey, WiltshireRegistered Posts: 1,325
    JaffasGirl wrote: »
    i dont get why they are sending empty planes....surely there are people stuck in england that need to get to the countries they are flying to? cant they take them with them?

    i thought they were continuing flights as normal, and the people that are already delayed are the ones that are not flying just yet.

    Problem with that is then there are still the same amount of people stuck abroad if the, um errrr what's it called? explodes again and all the planes are grounded AGAIN for who knows how long.

    Why does Iceland seem to be the source of so many disasters at the moment? Perhaps it will sink under the what's it's name? soon!!!!! Icelanderins or whoever can't seem to control their money or mountain thingys!!!!!
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
  • flowerflower Well-Known Registered Posts: 160
    Congratulations CJC on Baggies promotion. Looking forward to next season with interest.
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    anniem wrote: »
    Problem with that is then there are still the same amount of people stuck abroad if the, um errrr what's it called? explodes again and all the planes are grounded AGAIN for who knows how long.

    Why does Iceland seem to be the source of so many disasters at the moment? Perhaps it will sink under the what's it's name? soon!!!!! Icelanderins or whoever can't seem to control their money or mountain thingys!!!!!

    Sorry anniem, what i meant was, why cant they take people who are stranded here, home. Not the ones going on holiday.
  • anniemanniem Experienced Mentor Pewsey, WiltshireRegistered Posts: 1,325
    JaffasGirl wrote: »
    Sorry anniem, what i meant was, why cant they take people who are stranded here, home. Not the ones going on holiday.

    I see your point! I didn't realise they weren't.

    I often think that the country is run by a complete bunch of lunatics!

    Remind me about this election again ..... is it where we choose some sensible, responsible people to organise the country???????
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
  • blobbyhblobbyh Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,415
    anniem wrote: »
    Remind me about this election again ..... is it where we choose some sensible, responsible people to organise the country???????

    Probably why so many are becoming disillusioned with politicians and choosing not to vote for any of the major parties or simply not voting at all as is everyone's democratic right.
  • jewels.pjewels.p Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,774
    Did anybody see those people on the news the other night who were cracking up as they had to pay out hundreds of pounds to try and get home. This one woman came on and was shouting that she had to pay an extra £800 to get home from a two week holiday in Lanzarote and she wanted compensation and her money back from the Government..............she then went on to say that she is on Disability and only lived on benefits.............................Strange isnt it she is living on benefits (paid by the taxpayer) can afford to go on a two week holiday (paid by the taxpayer) and is STILL wanting more money from the taxpayer!

    Maybe I should pack my job in and live on benefits that way I could afford a two week holiday abroad!
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    i work full time and cant afford to go on holiday.

    I'm thinking i may join you in going on benefits! In my area its the norm anyway!!
  • blobbyhblobbyh Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 2,415
    JaffasGirl wrote: »
    I'm thinking i may join you in going on benefits! In my area its the norm anyway!!

    Seeing as you live in Hastings - murder capital of the UK - I can well believe that. I've never seen such a depressing place.

    William the Conqueror invaded in 1066 and I don't think it's ever stopped being a warzone since...
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    Really? murder capital of the of uk? Labour should use that in their campaign.

    Seriously, my day isn't complete untill I've seen a bitch fight, someone shooting up, and a drunk fondling himself on my way to work.

    And that just the road I work on :)
  • anniemanniem Experienced Mentor Pewsey, WiltshireRegistered Posts: 1,325
    JaffasGirl wrote: »
    Really? murder capital of the of uk? Labour should use that in their campaign.

    Seriously, my day isn't complete untill I've seen a bitch fight, someone shooting up, and a drunk fondling himself on my way to work.

    And that just the road I work on

    And what is it that you do on the street you work on :lol: ???????
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
  • JaffasGirlJaffasGirl Trusted Regular Registered Posts: 387
    I'm an estate agent...so most people would consider that on par with what you was suggesting! Lol

    It's not the best of areas...not that I would tell people that
  • JayneHoganJayneHogan Experienced Mentor Registered Posts: 697
    Lol!
  • Beautiful_boboBeautiful_bobo Well-Known Registered Posts: 106
    Can I just add, that my husband has been declared disabled by the DWP and we do not qualify for help with rent or rates.

    I work full time but do not earn very much, just enough to cover the rent and rates but not enough to pay any bills as well. So holidays and luxurys are definately out.
  • A-VicA-Vic Expertise Guaranteed Registered Posts: 6,970
    Just heard off a college friend she hopefully gets a flight today from egypit was due back when the airports first closed
  • taskeytaskey Font Of All Knowledge Registered Posts: 1,800
    my daughters headmaster is stuck in bangkok lol
  • anniemanniem Experienced Mentor Pewsey, WiltshireRegistered Posts: 1,325
    taskey wrote: »
    my daughters headmaster is stuck in bangkok lol

    Sounds uncomfortable! Master head bang kok ???? :lol:
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
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