PCR June 2010

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  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    emsy wrote: »
    I know that these are wrong but i got these for section 1, at least i think they are

    task 1.1
    a 1600
    b 94.32
    c 3300
    d 1710
    e 365
    f 2
    g 0.125
    h 249000kg
    i 20%
    tigger37 wrote: »
    I put 25,000 favourable as well as the budget was that amount and they actually spent zilch..........

    Yep thats waht I thought
  • angharadmai
    angharadmai Registered Posts: 41 Regular contributor ⭐
    Thought the exam wasn't too bad, liked it as there was a lot of calculations and less written questions. Task 1.1 was different, but they basically gave us the formulas to use.

    Just have to wait now and hope I've passed PEV and PCR.
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    carlap wrote: »
    That sounds like what I got...
    emsy wrote: »
    I know that these are wrong but i got these for section 1, at least i think they are

    task 1.1
    a 1600
    b 94.32
    c 3300
    d 1710
    e 365
    f 2
    g 0.125
    h 249000kg
    i 20%

    seems the same as mine, but I do not remember e and h - what they were about??
  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    Anyone remember 1.2 & 1.3 answers??
  • emsy
    emsy Registered Posts: 11 New contributor 🐸
    how many production lines did you get with the extra production in section 1?
  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    3 probuction lines as it came to 7000 odd which meant you needed 3 as capacity for 2 was only 6600
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    carlap wrote: »
    3 probuction lines as it came to 7000 odd which meant you needed 3 as capacity for 2 was only 6600

    I had 3 production lines but I had over 8000 hrs....
  • emsy
    emsy Registered Posts: 11 New contributor 🐸
    carlap wrote: »
    3 probuction lines as it came to 7000 odd which meant you needed 3 as capacity for 2 was only 6600

    dam! I thought it was 3! then changed it to 4 because i thought it would be based on the different activities not the hours!!! sounds stupid i know because when i walked out at the end i thought why did i change that!!!!
  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    hmm not sure...how many units per labour hour did you get??

    I got 800
  • rachy1975
    rachy1975 Registered Posts: 366 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    i had 3 production lines...
    aand 7000 something hours
  • emsy
    emsy Registered Posts: 11 New contributor 🐸
    bobo wrote: »
    seems the same as mine, but I do not remember e and h - what they were about??

    I think E was something to do with overtime hours (but not sure, because i just quickly copied my answers at my end!)
    H was the wastage amount!
  • emsy
    emsy Registered Posts: 11 New contributor 🐸
    carlap wrote: »
    hmm not sure...how many units per labour hour did you get??

    I got 800


    um which question was that?
  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    Where you worked out how many labour hours required...you needed to work out how many units per hour first in 1.2 I think
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    rachy1975 wrote: »
    i had 3 production lines...
    aand 7000 something hours
    carlap wrote: »
    3 probuction lines as it came to 7000 odd which meant you needed 3 as capacity for 2 was only 6600

    well seems that number of production lines I have write but not hrs...
  • anniem
    anniem Registered Posts: 1,326 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    I was happy with how the exam went although the format was not particularly like any of the others. I felt that it was testing your understanding and calculations and was very fair.

    Section 1

    Gardenbase

    In essence all the questions on section 1.1 were asked in a manner that you could establish where to pull the figures from.

    The exam was based on 6 staff and 2 production lines producing tubs of fertiliser, which was 0.9kg sand: 0.1 kg PSX, supplying a 1kg tub of end product fertiliser. Retail price £0.58/tub.

    Staff labour hours were provided and so were production line hours.

    However, the twist was that PSX had an element of evaporation, so to end up with 0.1kg of PSX in 1 kg of finished fertiliser you needed 0.125kg psx in the mix.

    Then for 1.2 there was a re-calculation exercise, based on the figures you had already achieved. Then you had to re-evaluate for the additional costs incurred for the additional output. This was for the product to be sold through Q&D at £0.52/tub

    It was also necessary to evaluate the additional profit per tub on the additional supply; I got £0.018 per tub. We were allowed to work to 3 decimal places (which was a little off-putting in itself!)

    After that 1.3 was the report; summarising profit impact, what if drop in sales, etc. I calculated that there would be an additional £54,000 profit, however at sales of £0.52/tub sales wouldn't need to drop too much to create a loss; especially as it was necessary to put in an additional production line to facilitite the output (£175,000 fixed overhead). There was also a requirement to discuss possible affect on sales of own fertiliser.

    Can't remember if there was a 1.4 task!

    Section 2.

    FunKeyFobs

    This was the budget part of the paper.

    Budget figures were given 'per thousand' for production of key fobs.

    For 2.1 I initially went through and calculated incorrectly, as I hadn't read the budget properly so I was out by '000 on my first answers! I realised when I came to 2.2!

    Again, as in previous papers it was just calculation budget cost/per thousand key fobs, working through Variable, Semi Variable and Stepped Costs. Quite straightforward.

    2.2 Flexing budget, although as well as comparing flexed and actual budget to produce (adverse)/favourable variance it was also necessary to show variance as a % of flexed budget. This is something that I haven't seen anywhere before whilst studying this subject and I realised when I re-read the question having completed it. I struggled to fit it onto the page quite honestly, but did manage to calculate the variance %.

    Most noticeable decreased sales variance equated to 8.3% (Flexed 2,880,000:Actual 2,640,000: Variance 240,000 adverse)

    Amongst other calculations I had labour 5.1% adverse and energy 5% favourable. Manager bonus was 100% favourable (budget 25,000:actual £zero)

    2.3 Really strange that it was put here not after 2.4 question; was the index calculations: I got 5% increase and 4% increase (which I've already seen posted here).

    2.4 Was the report on section 2.2 detailing analysis of significant variances. I mentioned/waffled about sales, labour, energy and manager bonus.

    A bit about whether the budgets produced were best for the company (sort of question) and whether another type of budgeting would be more appropriate. I put something about 'target based budgets'.

    I was happy with the exam and I feel quite positive. Although it provided all the information in an entirely different format I did feel that I had all the information I needed to supply a (hopefully) correct set of answers.
    FMAAT - AAT Licensed Member in Practice - Pewsey, Wiltshire
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    anniem wrote: »
    It was also necessary to evaluate the additional profit per tub on the additional supply; I got £0.018 per tub. We were allowed to work to 3 decimal places (which was a little off-putting in itself!)

    I got £0.008 per tube.... :(
  • bagpuss3008
    bagpuss3008 Registered Posts: 32 Regular contributor ⭐
    bobo wrote: »
    I got £0.008 per tube.... :(

    yey not just me then!!
  • emsy
    emsy Registered Posts: 11 New contributor 🐸
    does anyone have the answers for 1.2 and 1.3
  • angeltastic
    angeltastic Registered Posts: 11 New contributor 🐸
    bobo wrote: »
    I got £0.008 per tube.... :(

    Sure I got that too!
  • bagpuss3008
    bagpuss3008 Registered Posts: 32 Regular contributor ⭐
    when calculating the opening stock for the 3m additional units, did anyone put this as zero as you'd already used the o/s in the original budget?

    Also, did I miss that there should be a calc for waste? I figured this was already included and calculated 0.125kg of PXS was used in production which already accounted for the waste?
  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    anniem wrote: »
    I was happy with how the exam went although the format was not particularly like any of the others. I felt that it was testing your understanding and calculations and was very fair.

    Section 1

    Gardenbase

    In essence all the questions on section 1.1 were asked in a manner that you could establish where to pull the figures from.

    The exam was based on 6 staff and 2 production lines producing tubs of fertiliser, which was 0.9kg sand: 0.1 kg PSX, supplying a 1kg tub of end product fertiliser. Retail price £0.58/tub.

    Staff labour hours were provided and so were production line hours.

    However, the twist was that PSX had an element of evaporation, so to end up with 0.1kg of PSX in 1 kg of finished fertiliser you needed 0.125kg psx in the mix.

    Then for 1.2 there was a re-calculation exercise, based on the figures you had already achieved. Then you had to re-evaluate for the additional costs incurred for the additional output. This was for the product to be sold through Q&D at £0.52/tub

    It was also necessary to evaluate the additional profit per tub on the additional supply; I got £0.018 per tub. We were allowed to work to 3 decimal places (which was a little off-putting in itself!)

    After that 1.3 was the report; summarising profit impact, what if drop in sales, etc. I calculated that there would be an additional £54,000 profit, however at sales of £0.52/tub sales wouldn't need to drop too much to create a loss; especially as it was necessary to put in an additional production line to facilitite the output (£175,000 fixed overhead). There was also a requirement to discuss possible affect on sales of own fertiliser.

    Can't remember if there was a 1.4 task!

    Section 2.

    FunKeyFobs

    This was the budget part of the paper.

    Budget figures were given 'per thousand' for production of key fobs.

    For 2.1 I initially went through and calculated incorrectly, as I hadn't read the budget properly so I was out by '000 on my first answers! I realised when I came to 2.2!

    Again, as in previous papers it was just calculation budget cost/per thousand key fobs, working through Variable, Semi Variable and Stepped Costs. Quite straightforward.

    2.2 Flexing budget, although as well as comparing flexed and actual budget to produce (adverse)/favourable variance it was also necessary to show variance as a % of flexed budget. This is something that I haven't seen anywhere before whilst studying this subject and I realised when I re-read the question having completed it. I struggled to fit it onto the page quite honestly, but did manage to calculate the variance %.

    Most noticeable decreased sales variance equated to 8.3% (Flexed 2,880,000:Actual 2,640,000: Variance 240,000 adverse)

    Amongst other calculations I had labour 5.1% adverse and energy 5% favourable. Manager bonus was 100% favourable (budget 25,000:actual £zero)

    2.3 Really strange that it was put here not after 2.4 question; was the index calculations: I got 5% increase and 4% increase (which I've already seen posted here).

    2.4 Was the report on section 2.2 detailing analysis of significant variances. I mentioned/waffled about sales, labour, energy and manager bonus.

    A bit about whether the budgets produced were best for the company (sort of question) and whether another type of budgeting would be more appropriate. I put something about 'target based budgets'.

    I was happy with the exam and I feel quite positive. Although it provided all the information in an entirely different format I did feel that I had all the information I needed to supply a (hopefully) correct set of answers.


    How did you manage to remember all that??
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    yey not just me then!!
    Sure I got that too!

    so i'm happy now :)
  • Terdoo
    Terdoo Registered Posts: 144 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Re: PCR exam

    I studied the whole test book of PCR and all the past exam papers, but not happy with today,s exam, I was panicking because i didn,t know what was required of me, another resit
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    when calculating the opening stock for the 3m additional units, did anyone put this as zero as you'd already used the o/s in the original budget?


    Also, did I miss that there should be a calc for waste? I figured this was already included and calculated 0.125kg of PXS was used in production which already accounted for the waste?


    I've calculated as total, first production plus additional add closing stock less opiening stock and in the end I've deducted what I had for first production and came out additional production...

    Wastage - I've calculated this in material required...
  • safrica
    safrica Registered Posts: 106 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    anniem wrote: »
    I was happy with how the exam went although the format was not particularly like any of the others. I felt that it was testing your understanding and calculations and was very fair.

    Section 1

    Gardenbase

    In essence all the questions on section 1.1 were asked in a manner that you could establish where to pull the figures from.

    The exam was based on 6 staff and 2 production lines producing tubs of fertiliser, which was 0.9kg sand: 0.1 kg PSX, supplying a 1kg tub of end product fertiliser. Retail price £0.58/tub.

    Staff labour hours were provided and so were production line hours.

    However, the twist was that PSX had an element of evaporation, so to end up with 0.1kg of PSX in 1 kg of finished fertiliser you needed 0.125kg psx in the mix.

    Then for 1.2 there was a re-calculation exercise, based on the figures you had already achieved. Then you had to re-evaluate for the additional costs incurred for the additional output. This was for the product to be sold through Q&D at £0.52/tub

    It was also necessary to evaluate the additional profit per tub on the additional supply; I got £0.018 per tub. We were allowed to work to 3 decimal places (which was a little off-putting in itself!)

    After that 1.3 was the report; summarising profit impact, what if drop in sales, etc. I calculated that there would be an additional £54,000 profit, however at sales of £0.52/tub sales wouldn't need to drop too much to create a loss; especially as it was necessary to put in an additional production line to facilitite the output (£175,000 fixed overhead). There was also a requirement to discuss possible affect on sales of own fertiliser.

    Can't remember if there was a 1.4 task!

    Section 2.

    FunKeyFobs

    This was the budget part of the paper.

    Budget figures were given 'per thousand' for production of key fobs.

    For 2.1 I initially went through and calculated incorrectly, as I hadn't read the budget properly so I was out by '000 on my first answers! I realised when I came to 2.2!

    Again, as in previous papers it was just calculation budget cost/per thousand key fobs, working through Variable, Semi Variable and Stepped Costs. Quite straightforward.

    2.2 Flexing budget, although as well as comparing flexed and actual budget to produce (adverse)/favourable variance it was also necessary to show variance as a % of flexed budget. This is something that I haven't seen anywhere before whilst studying this subject and I realised when I re-read the question having completed it. I struggled to fit it onto the page quite honestly, but did manage to calculate the variance %.

    Most noticeable decreased sales variance equated to 8.3% (Flexed 2,880,000:Actual 2,640,000: Variance 240,000 adverse)

    Amongst other calculations I had labour 5.1% adverse and energy 5% favourable. Manager bonus was 100% favourable (budget 25,000:actual £zero)

    2.3 Really strange that it was put here not after 2.4 question; was the index calculations: I got 5% increase and 4% increase (which I've already seen posted here).

    2.4 Was the report on section 2.2 detailing analysis of significant variances. I mentioned/waffled about sales, labour, energy and manager bonus.

    A bit about whether the budgets produced were best for the company (sort of question) and whether another type of budgeting would be more appropriate. I put something about 'target based budgets'.

    I was happy with the exam and I feel quite positive. Although it provided all the information in an entirely different format I did feel that I had all the information I needed to supply a (hopefully) correct set of answers.

    £0.018 per tub additional profit rings a bell...I remember having something like £0.109 for the original profit per tube in task 1.2..anyone ??
  • torty35
    torty35 Registered Posts: 6 New contributor 🐸
    I've got so many answers scribbled on back of exam seating sheet that they are almost more complicated to desipher than the exam !! Here goes ..

    section 1.1 etc.?!!
    1600 tubs
    94.32%
    3300hrs
    1710 hrs
    365 hrs
    2:1
    0.125 kg
    0.025kg
    loss 20%

    Sect 1.2
    10218000
    5926440
    204360
    10029360
    4287551.40
    6078.4hrs
    92%
    1896.8
    82080/22761.6
    Overheads 350000 + 18235.20
    Cost per tub 0.475
    10.5 profit
    1.3 ??
    1560000
    3060000 tubs
    Add mats 1308150
    3 lines
    79.77%
    3637 hrs
    staff 134808 +29966
    180456
    0.497 per tub
    0.23 profit

    Section 2 £600
    £180
    £100
    £25 delivery
    £24 variable & 75000 fixed
    Admin £2 var £95 000 fixed
    Equip steps £5000

    5% & 4%

    Variances :
    240000A
    44000A
    18000A
    5000F
    9500F
    0
    8000A
    4400A
    25000F
    5000A
    1000A
    50900A
    290900A

    Hope that means more to you all than it now means to me !!

    Only realised in last few minutes that fixed cost of lines in sect. 1 was per line & not overall fixed cost so hopefully changed correctly but who knows !!

    Let me know if anyones can desipher answers & if they agree at all !!
  • carlap
    carlap Registered Posts: 31 Regular contributor ⭐
    I think alot of people were thrown by the way the paper was set out and worded.....good for some but not for them unfortunately
  • bobo
    bobo Registered Posts: 23 New contributor 🐸
    torty35 wrote: »
    I've got so many answers scribbled on back of exam seating sheet that they are almost more complicated to desipher than the exam !! Here goes ..

    section 1.1 etc.?!!
    1600 tubs
    94.32%
    3300hrs
    1710 hrs
    365 hrs
    2:1
    0.125 kg
    0.025kg
    loss 20%

    Sect 1.2
    10218000
    5926440
    204360
    10029360
    4287551.40
    6078.4hrs
    92%
    1896.8
    82080/22761.6
    Overheads 350000 + 18235.20
    Cost per tub 0.475
    10.5 profit
    1.3 ??
    1560000
    3060000 tubs
    Add mats 1308150
    3 lines
    79.77%
    3637 hrs
    staff 134808 +29966
    180456
    0.497 per tub
    0.23 profit

    Section 2 £600
    £180
    £100
    £25 delivery
    £24 variable & 75000 fixed
    Admin £2 var £95 000 fixed
    Equip steps £5000

    5% & 4%

    Variances :
    240000A
    44000A
    18000A
    5000F
    9500F
    0
    8000A
    4400A
    25000F
    5000A
    1000A
    50900A
    290900A

    Hope that means more to you all than it now means to me !!

    Only realised in last few minutes that fixed cost of lines in sect. 1 was per line & not overall fixed cost so hopefully changed correctly but who knows !!

    Let me know if anyones can desipher answers & if they agree at all !!

    As far as I can remember most of them seems the same, few seems different....
  • EAP
    EAP Registered Posts: 63 Regular contributor ⭐
    My tubs were £0.475 cost so £0.105 profit and then additional ones were £0.023 profit (so £0.497 cost. I think these answers have already been posted on here so at least I'm not alone!
  • safrica
    safrica Registered Posts: 106 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    torty35 wrote: »
    I've got so many answers scribbled on back of exam seating sheet that they are almost more complicated to desipher than the exam !! Here goes ..

    section 1.1 etc.?!!
    1600 tubs
    94.32%
    3300hrs
    1710 hrs
    365 hrs
    2:1
    0.125 kg
    0.025kg
    loss 20%

    Sect 1.2
    10218000
    5926440
    204360
    10029360
    4287551.40
    6078.4hrs
    92%
    1896.8
    82080/22761.6
    Overheads 350000 + 18235.20
    Cost per tub 0.475
    10.5 profit
    1.3 ??
    1560000
    3060000 tubs
    Add mats 1308150
    3 lines
    79.77%
    3637 hrs
    staff 134808 +29966
    180456
    0.497 per tub
    0.23 profit

    Section 2 £600
    £180
    £100
    £25 delivery
    £24 variable & 75000 fixed
    Admin £2 var £95 000 fixed
    Equip steps £5000

    5% & 4%

    Variances :
    240000A
    44000A
    18000A
    5000F
    9500F
    0
    8000A
    4400A
    25000F
    5000A
    1000A
    50900A
    290900A

    Hope that means more to you all than it now means to me !!

    Only realised in last few minutes that fixed cost of lines in sect. 1 was per line & not overall fixed cost so hopefully changed correctly but who knows !!

    Let me know if anyones can desipher answers & if they agree at all !!

    I have very similar answers to this!!
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