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mark130273 wrote: »do you dianne................never show it ???:001_tt2::001_tt2:
I do...you are just too slow to realise:001_tt2: 0 -
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mark130273 wrote: »realise what ??:confused1:
Duh!!!! that I have a sence of humour...wakey wakey Mark 0 -
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mark130273 wrote: »duh yourself i know....think you was slow then !:001_unsure:
hard to be sarcastic in text thou !:001_tt2:
Hard to be funny and sacastic for you................:001_tt2:0 -
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Don't necessarily agree with the exceptional manager comment, after all success attracts success, and if there is one business about 'who you know' and not what you, it is the music business.
Generally speaking, management, especially music management, (where the outlay can be very expensive, and the returns are not guaranteed) is a risky business, and when UK artists attempt to break into other territories i.e. The States, they almost 100% of the time turn to an America manager specifically to handle that for them, thereby cutting the UK based management out of the action. Some of the time the UK act then drops their UK based manager and simply have the US manager take care of them world wide.
A healthy exception to that practise is the Smallwood-Taylor management team behind Iron Maiden. Formed in 1976, The Santuary Group went on to become the largest independent music management and record company in the UK. Ironically, Sanctuary became, became the management company de rigueur for hard rock acts, who post 80's, fell out of fashion in this country, but who Sanctuary continued to have success with.
And also a healthy exception the 'professional manager' is Bryce Edge and Chris Hufford (Radiohead management). They have been with them from the beginning and they met them because they recorded a demo for the band.
Incidentally a lot of the more successful band managers, are exceptional in their money managing abilities, bands who at some time or other have had accountants/Economics graduates as their managers.0 -
Aaron C Rescue wrote: »Don't necessarily agree with the exceptional manager comment, after all success attracts success, and if there is one business about 'who you know' and not what you, it is the music business.
Generally speaking, management, especially music management, (where the outlay can be very expensive, and the returns are not guaranteed) is a risky business, and when UK artists attempt to break into other territories i.e. The States, they almost 100% of the time turn to an America manager specifically to handle that for them, thereby cutting the UK based management out of the action. Some of the time the UK act then drops their UK based manager and simply have the US manager take care of them world wide.
A healthy exception to that practise is the Smallwood-Taylor management team behind Iron Maiden. Formed in 1976, The Santuary Group went on to become the largest independent music management and record company in the UK. Ironically, Sanctuary became, became the management company de rigueur for hard rock acts, who post 80's, fell out of fashion in this country, but who Sanctuary continued to have success with.
And also a healthy exception the 'professional manager' is Bryce Edge and Chris Hufford (Radiohead management). They have been with them from the beginning and they met them because they recorded a demo for the band.
Incidentally a lot of the more successful band managers, are exceptional in their money managing abilities, bands who at some time or other have had accountants/Economics graduates as their managers.
Took the words right out of my mouth! 0 -
Aaron C Rescue wrote: »Don't necessarily agree with the exceptional manager comment, after all success attracts success, and if there is one business about 'who you know' and not what you, it is the music business.
Generally speaking, management, especially music management, (where the outlay can be very expensive, and the returns are not guaranteed) is a risky business, and when UK artists attempt to break into other territories i.e. The States, they almost 100% of the time turn to an America manager specifically to handle that for them, thereby cutting the UK based management out of the action. Some of the time the UK act then drops their UK based manager and simply have the US manager take care of them world wide.
A healthy exception to that practise is the Smallwood-Taylor management team behind Iron Maiden. Formed in 1976, The Santuary Group went on to become the largest independent music management and record company in the UK. Ironically, Sanctuary became, became the management company de rigueur for hard rock acts, who post 80's, fell out of fashion in this country, but who Sanctuary continued to have success with.
And also a healthy exception the 'professional manager' is Bryce Edge and Chris Hufford (Radiohead management). They have been with them from the beginning and they met them because they recorded a demo for the band.
Incidentally a lot of the more successful band managers, are exceptional in their money managing abilities, bands who at some time or other have had accountants/Economics graduates as their managers.
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Aaron C Rescue wrote: »Don't necessarily agree with the exceptional manager comment, after all success attracts success, and if there is one business about 'who you know' and not what you, it is the music business.
Generally speaking, management, especially music management, (where the outlay can be very expensive, and the returns are not guaranteed) is a risky business, and when UK artists attempt to break into other territories i.e. The States, they almost 100% of the time turn to an America manager specifically to handle that for them, thereby cutting the UK based management out of the action. Some of the time the UK act then drops their UK based manager and simply have the US manager take care of them world wide.
A healthy exception to that practise is the Smallwood-Taylor management team behind Iron Maiden. Formed in 1976, The Santuary Group went on to become the largest independent music management and record company in the UK. Ironically, Sanctuary became, became the management company de rigueur for hard rock acts, who post 80's, fell out of fashion in this country, but who Sanctuary continued to have success with.
And also a healthy exception the 'professional manager' is Bryce Edge and Chris Hufford (Radiohead management). They have been with them from the beginning and they met them because they recorded a demo for the band.
Incidentally a lot of the more successful band managers, are exceptional in their money managing abilities, bands who at some time or other have had accountants/Economics graduates as their managers.
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Here you go Lee...something to get your teeth into first thing Monday:001_wub: 0 -
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An exceptional manager can often get an average group rich and famous whereas it's not so guaranteed that an average manager could do the same for an exceptional group.Aaron C Rescue wrote: »Don't necessarily agree with the exceptional manager comment, after all success attracts success, and if there is one business about 'who you know' and not what you, it is the music business.
Once again that only reinforces my point rather than countering it. There are many superficially talentless yet millionaire pop stars but many more broke yet excellent musicians thus proving what we have both said that "it's often who you know, not what you know".
Iron Maiden - who were excellent in their early days (saw them in '83) were the cream of the NWOBHM crop from the early 80's but by the late 80's musically fell behind many of the younger but more revolutionary bands they influenced. Then take Ratt and Poison who also enjoyed major success and were pretty much crap but still made fortunes. All had arguably limited talents but excellent management was the difference, keeping Maiden at the top for much longer than maybe they should have been.0 -
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