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  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    nscuffell wrote: »
    how do the donations work, i know about gift aid but it threw me when it said local donation and national

    It's something about a local charity being an advertisement for the business but national isnt. Obviously it's worded better than that though!!
  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    Rachey wrote: »
    I was wondering about this. The first purchase was before the date available for FYA but didnt it not matter anyway because it was entitled to the full AIA?? It was the second one that had the partial AIA and then needed the FYA. Pleeeeeeease correct me if i'm wrong... :-)

    Thats what I did, and the N.I. Class 2 i did £2.40x 52 x 9/12 i think. I said exclude Goodwill from Rollover relief which I knew was wrong after the exam but think the other stuff I said was ok.
  • Beth
    Beth Registered Posts: 40 Regular contributor ⭐
    safrica wrote: »
    I used the 12 months to the accounting period ending in Year 2...

    I think I did:

    01 May 2009 - 05 April 2010
    01 February 2010 - 31 January 2011

    Or something like that - 2 months overlap...
  • lewpylew
    lewpylew Registered Posts: 216 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Well have tried to block out that paper, especially section 2 which I think I have failed again : ( Messed up the marginal relief formula as I could not remember what I was : (

    For part 1, I apportioned the WDA over 9 months as the lady only started trading on 1st May - 31st Jan.

    NIC's - I worked out £2.40 x 52 weeks, then divided by 12 for months and times by 9 to get 9 months

    Happy with rollover relief - waffled and filled up the section!

    Part 2 - I did the plant bought in Feb 09 first and took off £28,000 AIA(think that was 9 months), then I did the plant bought in Oct 09 and took off AIA, then FYA as this only came in from 1st April 2009.

    I took entrepreneur's relief off the gain on shares as it was the disposal of a business asset?

    Left the private use on the car as got caught out with this last time.
  • Ampsie
    Ampsie Registered Posts: 145 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    nscuffell wrote: »
    how do the donations work, i know about gift aid but it threw me when it said local donation and national

    That threw me too! Because they didn't come under the heading of gift aid i allowed them.
    But with hindsight i just don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Didnt even know the first purchase for Olivia was before May 1
  • lewpylew
    lewpylew Registered Posts: 216 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Beth wrote: »
    I think I did:

    01 May 2009 - 05 April 2010
    01 February 2010 - 31 January 2011

    Or something like that - 2 months overlap...

    Ooh that is what I did - got 2 months overlap at £7,250 per month = £14,500 overlap profits : )
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    Beth wrote: »
    I think I did:

    01 May 2009 - 05 April 2010
    01 February 2010 - 31 January 2011

    Or something like that - 2 months overlap...

    Oh dear i did
    01 May 2009 - 05 April 2010
    01 May 2009 - 31 April 2010 (The first 12 months of trade)

    I did a calculation that included £7250 per month though...... cant be too bad!

    My stuff was neat and easy to understand so hopefully they'll see it was just one error and allow me a bit of leeway........ fingers, toes and eyes crossed. Though i may need to uncross my eyes before August!!!
  • Beth
    Beth Registered Posts: 40 Regular contributor ⭐
    When can we see the exam paper online?
  • safrica
    safrica Registered Posts: 106 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Was the fines for breaking H&S rules allowable or not ?? I added it but think it's wrong now...
    got CT payable of £63000 something...? I messed up that part and had to cross it all out....arghhh
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    lewpylew wrote: »
    Well have tried to block out that paper, especially section 2 which I think I have failed again : ( Messed up the marginal relief formula as I could not remember what I was : (

    For part 1, I apportioned the WDA over 9 months as the lady only started trading on 1st May - 31st Jan.

    NIC's - I worked out £2.40 x 52 weeks, then divided by 12 for months and times by 9 to get 9 months

    Happy with rollover relief - waffled and filled up the section!

    Part 2 - I did the plant bought in Feb 09 first and took off £28,000 AIA(think that was 9 months), then I did the plant bought in Oct 09 and took off AIA, then FYA as this only came in from 1st April 2009.

    I took entrepreneur's relief off the gain on shares as it was the disposal of a business asset?

    Left the private use on the car as got caught out with this last time.

    aaaarrrrrggghhhhhhhh i forgot about entrepreneur's relief....... i have completely omitted it!! ah well.
  • carolyn
    carolyn Registered Posts: 28 Regular contributor ⭐
    safrica wrote: »
    Correct !..I think !!
    I seperated the plant bought in February and October, but why partial AIA for the second one.
  • lewpylew
    lewpylew Registered Posts: 216 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Ampsie wrote: »
    That threw me too! Because they didn't come under the heading of gift aid i allowed them.
    But with hindsight i just don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Just looked in my book, fines disallowed(good as I added that back!)
    Add back depreciation
    Damn I left staff entertaining as thought there was a £50 limit and this cost £52(oops)
    Looks like local donation is ok - my BPP book says where donations is made to a small local company, HMRC will allow the donation on the grounds that, in these circumstances, it is made to benefit trade(in developing local goodwill).
  • Beth
    Beth Registered Posts: 40 Regular contributor ⭐
    Rachey wrote: »
    Oh dear i did
    01 May 2009 - 05 April 2010
    01 May 2009 - 31 April 2010 (The first 12 months of trade)

    I did a calculation that included £7250 per month though...... cant be too bad!

    My stuff was neat and easy to understand so hopefully they'll see it was just one error and allow me a bit of leeway........ fingers, toes and eyes crossed. Though i may need to uncross my eyes before August!!!

    Oh no mine's probably the one that's wrong!!!

    I spent ages trying to figure out what the dates were. :-s
  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    For the form (CT600?) I used me trusty fill it out in pencil and go back over in pen. Glad I did cos I made a couple of mistakes I needed to correct. Apologies to anyone I disturbed by blowing pencil rubbings off my paper before I left the room :)
  • lewpylew
    lewpylew Registered Posts: 216 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    carolyn wrote: »
    I seperated the plant bought in February and October, but why partial AIA for the second one.

    Partially off the second one, as it's max of £50k in a year and I had already used the £28,000 off the first item.
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    carolyn wrote: »
    I seperated the plant bought in February and October, but why partial AIA for the second one.

    There's a limit of £50,000 and you'd already used 20 something of it?
  • mrspnut
    mrspnut Registered Posts: 70 Regular contributor ⭐
    I was really pleased with that paper, it was tricky, especially in section 2 with the disallowables but I thought hard about what I thought HMRC would not allow and I got them all right.

    Disallowables were - Health and Safety fine

    Write off of employee loan

    National charity donation

    Gift aid

    Negotiation of long term lease

    Depreciation

    I think that was all of them
  • safrica
    safrica Registered Posts: 106 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    lewpylew wrote: »
    Well have tried to block out that paper, especially section 2 which I think I have failed again : ( Messed up the marginal relief formula as I could not remember what I was : (

    For part 1, I apportioned the WDA over 9 months as the lady only started trading on 1st May - 31st Jan.

    NIC's - I worked out £2.40 x 52 weeks, then divided by 12 for months and times by 9 to get 9 months

    Happy with rollover relief - waffled and filled up the section!

    Part 2 - I did the plant bought in Feb 09 first and took off £28,000 AIA(think that was 9 months), then I did the plant bought in Oct 09 and took off AIA, then FYA as this only came in from 1st April 2009.

    I took entrepreneur's relief off the gain on shares as it was the disposal of a business asset?

    Left the private use on the car as got caught out with this last time.

    Entrepreneur's relief is only applicable for sole traders , not for companies...
  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    Rachey wrote: »
    There's a limit of £50,000 and you'd already used 20 something of it?

    I just took the £50k off the total after adding them together. I decided it amounted to the same amount of FYA anyway so didnt do the AIA seperate. Hey ho, hopefully not done too bad.
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    What about the car in the corporation
    did anyone think it was an expensive car since it was already in the pool
    I seem to remember that special rate pool is only there from 1 April 2009, but could be wrong and dont know about his personal use of the car, or was that a red herring
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    *Jo wrote: »
    I just took the £50k off the total after adding them together. I decided it amounted to the same amount of FYA anyway so didnt do the AIA seperate. Hey ho, hopefully not done too bad.

    You'd have got the same result :-)
  • Beth
    Beth Registered Posts: 40 Regular contributor ⭐
    Rachey wrote: »
    aaaarrrrrggghhhhhhhh i forgot about entrepreneur's relief....... i have completely omitted it!! ah well.

    I thought entrepreneurs relief only applied to businesses i.e. sole traders and not companies?
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    What about the car in the corporation
    did anyone think it was an expensive car since it was already in the pool
    I seem to remember that special rate pool is only there from 1 April 2009, but could be wrong and dont know about his personal use of the car, or was that a red herring

    There was a high emission car that needed 10% not 20% but i dont remember what question that was!!
  • mrspnut
    mrspnut Registered Posts: 70 Regular contributor ⭐
    What about the car in the corporation
    did anyone think it was an expensive car since it was already in the pool
    I seem to remember that special rate pool is only there from 1 April 2009, but could be wrong and dont know about his personal use of the car, or was that a red herring

    It was an expensive car, so needed to be capped at 3000 but the personal use does not apply to ltd companies.
  • Ampsie
    Ampsie Registered Posts: 145 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Rachey wrote: »
    aaaarrrrrggghhhhhhhh i forgot about entrepreneur's relief....... i have completely omitted it!! ah well.

    Me too - but i thought entrepreneurs relief only applied to self employed - not limited companies!
    Am i wrong?

    Ampsie
  • Beth
    Beth Registered Posts: 40 Regular contributor ⭐
    mrspnut wrote: »
    I was really pleased with that paper, it was tricky, especially in section 2 with the disallowables but I thought hard about what I thought HMRC would not allow and I got them all right.

    Disallowables were - Health and Safety fine

    Write off of employee loan

    National charity donation

    Gift aid

    Negotiation of long term lease

    Depreciation

    I think that was all of them

    OMG I don't remember the write off of an employee loan?! Does anyone else?
  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    mrspnut wrote: »
    I was really pleased with that paper, it was tricky, especially in section 2 with the disallowables but I thought hard about what I thought HMRC would not allow and I got them all right.

    Disallowables were - Health and Safety fine

    Write off of employee loan

    National charity donation

    Gift aid

    Negotiation of long term lease

    Depreciation

    I think that was all of them

    oh b*****ks I said Long Term Lease renewal allowable grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Im off to hit head on a wall lol
  • lewpylew
    lewpylew Registered Posts: 216 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    It does - I wanted to look too clever! Had not put in it, then had niggles when I went to check :$ Hey ho, may aswell fail section 2 in style!!!!!!
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    Beth wrote: »
    OMG I don't remember the write off of an employee loan?! Does anyone else?

    It was in the bad debt T Accounts at the bottom of the page :-)
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