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  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    mrspnut wrote: »
    Even if it was under 36 months, she still didn't reinvest the whole amount.

    I think I mentioned something about having to deduct any uninvested gain from the rollover relief.

    As I said before hopefully got enough right to pass. I was feeling confident on leaving, now not so sure lol.
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    *Jo wrote: »
    oh b*****ks I said Long Term Lease renewal allowable grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Im off to hit head on a wall lol

    I allowed it too, think it is allowable ?
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    mrspnut wrote: »
    Even if it was under 36 months, she still didn't reinvest the whole amount.

    I had chargable gains still of £50,000
  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    mrspnut wrote: »
    I think it was £480

    720 * 100/60 = 1200

    less 720 already accounted for.

    agreed
  • mint
    mint Registered Posts: 14 New contributor 🐸
    lewpylew wrote: »
    Yay that's 3 of us now that have £29,990! I then stupdily took off entrepreneurs relief(had a panic moment) so fingers crossed i still get the marks.

    I also got confused and did not do the PCTCT calculation right as used the wrong figure and forgot to take off capital allowances. Shame I don't have to just pass section 1 as thought that was lovely! I will do this whether it takes me 2 or 22 attempts!
    I did....

    Trading profits (can't remember exactly what they were)
    Plus the Chargeable Gain of 29900
    Plus the Dividends received
    Less Gift Aid
    = PCTCT

    Is this right??
  • mrspnut
    mrspnut Registered Posts: 70 Regular contributor ⭐
    azoe810 wrote: »
    I thought she had as the new business cost 250000 and gain on the old one was 175000??

    It's not the gain, it's the proceeds that have to be reinvested. It does look like you can claim partial relief though which I didn't mention.
  • *Jo
    *Jo Registered Posts: 509 Epic contributor 🐘
    val0123 wrote: »
    I allowed it too, think it is allowable ?

    no I just looked it up unfortuately, only legal fees on renewal of short time leases are allowable as revenue expenditure.
  • azoe810
    azoe810 Registered Posts: 9 New contributor 🐸
    mrspnut wrote: »
    It's not the gain, it's the proceeds that have to be reinvested. It does look like you can claim partial relief though which I didn't mention.
    Yeh now said it seems to make sence Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr cant believe how much iv messed up!!
  • bpopsicle
    bpopsicle Registered Posts: 12 New contributor 🐸
    Did any one else multiply nic 2.40 x 43
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    Have sooo messed section 1 up: allowed the lease thingie & for some reason added on £1200 for the drawings of the goods thinking that the cost of sales figure must have been deducted from the revenue, so the revenue figure would need to be the total amount (didn't make sense then either !!). Also, I somehow managed to calculate 47 weeks for the NI contributions when I don't think anybody else did. Never mind, will have another bash next time (maybe !)
  • wonderwife2008
    wonderwife2008 Registered Posts: 41 Regular contributor ⭐
    Why did you include the mark up??? It's only the cost of goods that needs to be added back as it is only the cost of goods that would be in the p&l surely.
  • bpopsicle
    bpopsicle Registered Posts: 12 New contributor 🐸
    With the personal goods I thought this was red herring as I thought the rules were that you take the cost value not the sales value?
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    Didn't know what I was doing. Saw it and thought 'oh crap' ! Had a vague memory somewhere that if there hadn't been any adjustment done, then only the profit needs to be accounted for, but if there had been an adjustment then it needs to be the entire sales figure, so just kind of went for it !!
  • AK002
    AK002 Registered Posts: 2,492 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    mint wrote: »
    I did....

    Trading profits (can't remember exactly what they were)
    Plus the Chargeable Gain of 29900
    Plus the Dividends received
    Less Gift Aid
    = PCTCT

    Is this right??

    There was property income too..
  • AATmunkee
    AATmunkee Registered Posts: 123 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    azoe810 wrote: »
    I justed added 40% back in which was 288 think ..this wrong?
    val0123 wrote: »
    Have sooo messed section 1 up: allowed the lease thingie & for some reason added on £1200 for the drawings of the goods thinking that the cost of sales figure must have been deducted from the revenue, so the revenue figure would need to be the total amount (didn't make sense then either !!). Also, I somehow managed to calculate 47 weeks for the NI contributions when I don't think anybody else did. Never mind, will have another bash next time (maybe !)

    Try not to worry too much.. I got 48 weeks for NICs!! only £2.40 between us!! lol
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    Just looked it up in my text book, it says 'if closing stock in the P & L account has been reduced for the goods taken for own use, but no other adjustments made, then the amount to be added back to arrive at the adjusted profit will be the selling price'.
  • AK002
    AK002 Registered Posts: 2,492 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    Why did you include the mark up??? It's only the cost of goods that needs to be added back as it is only the cost of goods that would be in the p&l surely.

    You should have added the sales price onto taxable profit.. The cos entry was already in cos.

    Or that's the way I remember it anyway.. Who knows lol
  • jojo1966
    jojo1966 Registered Posts: 21 New contributor 🐸
    *Jo wrote: »
    I thought she sold the old business in Oct 2006 and brought stuff for the new business in May 2009 therefore under 36 months.???

    yes - i agree - it falls within the 3 year period!
  • mint
    mint Registered Posts: 14 New contributor 🐸
    AK002 wrote: »
    There was property income too..
    oh cr@p

    was it in the profit and loss account at the front?

    i saw this but i thought it was somehow already included in the adjusted profit figure???
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    I also said that rollover relief was ok, as calculated that the new business was purchased less than three years after the sale of the original
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    mint wrote: »
    I did....

    Trading profits (can't remember exactly what they were)
    Plus the Chargeable Gain of 29900
    Plus the Dividends received
    Less Gift Aid
    = PCTCT

    Is this right??

    Can someone confirm if dividends go there? I did put them there..... but i dont know if they actually do!!!!
  • AK002
    AK002 Registered Posts: 2,492 Beyond epic contributor 🧙‍♂️
    mint wrote: »
    oh cr@p

    was it in the profit and loss account at the front?

    i saw this but i thought it was somehow already included in the adjusted profit figure???

    Yeah it was included as other income.. So should have been deducted from trading profit comp and then added in the PCTCT pro forma - or atleast that's what I did, i may be wrong!
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    This is going to sound really thick, but was really iffy about filling in the return, we never went through it in class ! Was unsure where to put the FYA figure, but think I blagged the rest
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Rachey wrote: »
    I was wondering about this. The first purchase was before the date available for FYA but didnt it not matter anyway because it was entitled to the full AIA?? It was the second one that had the partial AIA and then needed the FYA. Pleeeeeeease correct me if i'm wrong... :-)
    mrspnut wrote: »
    £450 just had to be grossed up and added to the PCTCT to get the "Profits" for the marginal relief calculation. Sometimes it's been put in the P&L and has to be removed during the adjustment.

    The Rollover relief, over the 3 year time limit and hadn't reinvested the entire proceeds in the new business anyway - not entitled.

    For the rollover relief - I thought the dates and amounts were she sold the business in Oct 2006 for £300,000 and her accountant worked out that she had a chargable gain of £175000
    She bought new assets (think plant and machinery and factory) in May 2009 for 250,000
    this means that its is less than 3 years 2 years and 7 months and the gain was less than she invested in the business.
    Althought I dont remember doing Capital allowances on £250,000 in section 1 question 1 I thought in section 1 she bought a car for 12,000, energy efficient plant for £9600, plant and machinery for £38000 and another car which was over 165 cant remember how much think about £16000.

    I did the Effieent plant at 100 FYA
    the 38000 on plant at 9/12, so had 500 left which I then did FYA at 40% leaving a balance in the main pool of 300 (which I wasnt sure if I could write off to zero since below 1000, in the first year.
    Car 1 was 12,000 WDA was 9/12 of 20% so was 1800 and the other car was 9/12 of 10%
    One of the cars I had to write down again by the 25% that she used for personal use. Cant remember so got approx 49895 for Capital allowances

    Can anyone remember the price of the car with emissions of 165g
    Was it the car for 12,000 that she used herself
  • bpopsicle
    bpopsicle Registered Posts: 12 New contributor 🐸
    I don't think dividends should be included in the PCTCT calc' but property income should be in there. Sorry
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    AK002 wrote: »
    Yeah it was included as other income.. So should have been deducted from trading profit comp and then added in the PCTCT pro forma - or atleast that's what I did, i may be wrong!

    I did that too
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Is the legal costs associated with negosiating a new lease capital expenses
    I thought it was
    but is a lease capital

    Muddled mind
  • mint
    mint Registered Posts: 14 New contributor 🐸
    For the rollover relief - I thought the dates and amounts were she sold the business in Oct 2006 for £300,000 and her accountant worked out that she had a chargable gain of £175000
    She bought new assets (think plant and machinery and factory) in May 2009 for 250,000
    this means that its is less than 3 years 2 years and 7 months and the gain was less than she invested in the business.
    Althought I dont remember doing Capital allowances on £250,000 in section 1 question 1 I thought in section 1 she bought a car for 12,000, energy efficient plant for £9600, plant and machinery for £38000 and another car which was over 165 cant remember how much think about £16000.

    I did the Effieent plant at 100 FYA
    the 38000 on plant at 9/12, so had 500 left which I then did FYA at 40% leaving a balance in the main pool of 300 (which I wasnt sure if I could write off to zero since below 1000, in the first year.
    Car 1 was 12,000 WDA was 9/12 of 20% so was 1800 and the other car was 9/12 of 10%
    One of the cars I had to write down again by the 25% that she used for personal use. Cant remember so got approx 49895 for Capital allowances

    Can anyone remember the price of the car with emissions of 165g
    Was it the car for 12,000 that she used herself
    was the 165g car price 9600?
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    what was the gifts to customers
    know it was £30 but what exactly was it
  • AATmunkee
    AATmunkee Registered Posts: 123 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Rachey wrote: »
    Can someone confirm if dividends go there? I did put them there..... but i dont know if they actually do!!!!

    No, they dont go here but you then gross them up and add them to the PCTCT total to get "profits" figure .
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