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  • azoe810
    azoe810 Registered Posts: 9 New contributor 🐸
    For the rollover relief - I thought the dates and amounts were she sold the business in Oct 2006 for £300,000 and her accountant worked out that she had a chargable gain of £175000
    She bought new assets (think plant and machinery and factory) in May 2009 for 250,000
    this means that its is less than 3 years 2 years and 7 months and the gain was less than she invested in the business.
    Althought I dont remember doing Capital allowances on £250,000 in section 1 question 1 I thought in section 1 she bought a car for 12,000, energy efficient plant for £9600, plant and machinery for £38000 and another car which was over 165 cant remember how much think about £16000.

    I did the Effieent plant at 100 FYA
    the 38000 on plant at 9/12, so had 500 left which I then did FYA at 40% leaving a balance in the main pool of 300 (which I wasnt sure if I could write off to zero since below 1000, in the first year.
    Car 1 was 12,000 WDA was 9/12 of 20% so was 1800 and the other car was 9/12 of 10%
    One of the cars I had to write down again by the 25% that she used for personal use. Cant remember so got approx 49895 for Capital allowances

    Can anyone remember the price of the car with emissions of 165g
    Was it the car for 12,000 that she used herself
    I totally forgot about writing if off if it had a balance below £1000, but i had a balance c/f of 300 on my main pool too. and the capital allowance figure i got a pretty similar figure cant remember exactly.
  • bpopsicle
    bpopsicle Registered Posts: 12 New contributor 🐸
    I think it was a wallet with company logo so allowable
  • mint
    mint Registered Posts: 14 New contributor 🐸
    what was the gifts to customers
    know it was £30 but what exactly was it
    stationery with company logo printed on wasnt it?
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    azoe810 wrote: »
    I totally forgot about writing if off if it had a balance below £1000, but i had a balance c/f of 300 on my main pool too. and the capital allowance figure i got a pretty similar figure cant remember exactly.

    Don't think it would be written off until the next year ?
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    what was the gifts to customers
    know it was £30 but what exactly was it

    I allowed these as it was stationary with the company logo.

    For some STUPID reason i disallowed entertaining STAFF!!!!!! How stupid. As I was writing it i thought, this is wrong. But hey, i just gotta get on with it now no point crying!
  • mint
    mint Registered Posts: 14 New contributor 🐸
    Rachey wrote: »
    I allowed these as it was stationary with the company logo.

    For some STUPID reason i disallowed entertaining STAFF!!!!!! How stupid. As I was writing it i thought, this is wrong. But hey, i just gotta get on with it now no point crying!
    do we really need to know these off by heart though? i mean in practise wouldnt we look these up to check? especially with the changing rules!
    I hope they give us marks for laying the computation out correctly :) hehe
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    When I think of the hours & hours spent trying to remember those darned penalties for late filing, late payment etc & they never even came up !
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    lewpylew wrote: »
    Just looked in my book, fines disallowed(good as I added that back!)
    Add back depreciation
    Damn I left staff entertaining as thought there was a £50 limit and this cost £52(oops)
    Looks like local donation is ok - my BPP book says where donations is made to a small local company, HMRC will allow the donation on the grounds that, in these circumstances, it is made to benefit trade(in developing local goodwill).


    Is staff entertaining allowed. so you are ok
  • jojo1966
    jojo1966 Registered Posts: 21 New contributor 🐸
    does anyone know for definate that youu dont get marked down more than once if you carry an error forward? I know i did my capital allowances wrong on section 2 as i knocked the AIA off the oct 09 purchase first and then the balance off the 28000 from feb 09 which only qualified for a 20% wda - thus making my PCTCT figure wrong, and my tax due wrong!!! will i just lose marks on the first error and as long as i did the pctct and tax comp correctly i will be ok on those??

    for definate???
  • meibaker
    meibaker Registered Posts: 481 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    Rachey wrote: »
    Oh dear i did
    01 May 2009 - 05 April 2010
    01 May 2009 - 31 April 2010 (The first 12 months of trade)

    I did a calculation that included £7250 per month though...... cant be too bad!

    My stuff was neat and easy to understand so hopefully they'll see it was just one error and allow me a bit of leeway........ fingers, toes and eyes crossed. Though i may need to uncross my eyes before August!!!

    ive got the same figure as you
  • noodles
    noodles Registered Posts: 308 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    My book says staff ent allowed . The £50 is for gifts to customers with logos
  • AATmunkee
    AATmunkee Registered Posts: 123 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    nscuffell wrote: »
    My book says staff ent allowed . The £50 is for gifts to customers with logos

    Which book is that????
    Entertaining staff is allowable.. its just customers that arent.. unless they are advertising the company in some way................... i think!!
  • AATmunkee
    AATmunkee Registered Posts: 123 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    For the first year i did
    2009/10 1st May - 5th April - 48000 or summit like that.. Depending on adjusted profits
    2010/11 1st Feb 10 - 31st Jan 2011 87000 with overlaps from 1st Feb - 5th April as 14500....
  • jojo1966
    jojo1966 Registered Posts: 21 New contributor 🐸
    AATmunkee wrote: »
    For the first year i did
    2009/10 1st May - 5th April - 48000 or summit like that.. Depending on adjusted profits
    2010/11 1st Feb 10 - 31st Jan 2011 87000 with overlaps from 1st Feb - 5th April as 14500....

    so did i - there was a period of account ending in 2nd year - it was 12 months or more and therefore basis period is 12 months ending in 2nd year = 1st feb 10 - 31st jan 11
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    mrspnut wrote: »
    It's not the gain, it's the proceeds that have to be reinvested. It does look like you can claim partial relief though which I didn't mention.

    Oh no I knew this I had it hightlighted in my revision but for some reason forgot and was sure if was the gain not the proceeds
    so she could still get rollover relief but not on the whole amountso 50,000 of the 175000 would still be liable to CGT less entrepenurs less exempt amount etc

    Just as a matter of interest if she did claim roll over releif presumably she woould have already had to pay the CGT on the 175000 gain in jan 2008 so would she then get a refund from the tax office?
  • Lou1234
    Lou1234 Registered Posts: 210 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    jojo1966 wrote: »
    so did i - there was a period of account ending in 2nd year - it was 12 months or more and therefore basis period is 12 months ending in 2nd year = 1st feb 10 - 31st jan 11

    Glad to know something I did on the paper agrees with others!! :)
  • meibaker
    meibaker Registered Posts: 481 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    bpopsicle wrote: »
    I think it was a wallet with company logo so allowable

    its stationery with company logo, cost £30 i think
  • noodles
    noodles Registered Posts: 308 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    I said allowable!!!
  • Rachey
    Rachey Registered Posts: 589 Epic contributor 🐘
    Oh no I knew this I had it hightlighted in my revision but for some reason forgot and was sure if was the gain not the proceeds
    so she could still get rollover relief but not on the whole amountso 50,000 of the 175000 would still be liable to CGT less entrepenurs less exempt amount etc

    Just as a matter of interest if she did claim roll over releif presumably she woould have already had to pay the CGT on the 175000 gain in jan 2008 so would she then get a refund from the tax office?

    I didnt mention entrepenurs relief in this answer, oops.
  • bpopsicle
    bpopsicle Registered Posts: 12 New contributor 🐸
    exam papers

    to repeat an earlier question when does the dreaded exam paper become available online?
  • koda
    koda Registered Posts: 52 Regular contributor ⭐
    For the rollover relief question I was sure the proceeds were £175k and the new business cost was £250k so therefore she would have invested the whole amount so no CGT.... have I read it wrong.....?
  • mrspnut
    mrspnut Registered Posts: 70 Regular contributor ⭐
    Rachey wrote: »
    I didnt mention entrepenurs relief in this answer, oops.

    Entrepreneur's relief didn't come in until more recently than 2006, I think and so wouldn't have applied. - just checked and it was apr 2008
  • AATmunkee
    AATmunkee Registered Posts: 123 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    nscuffell wrote: »
    My book says staff ent allowed . The £50 is for gifts to customers with logos

    ent allowed - i caught that as disallowed (added back) it is allowable!!
  • valentino46
    valentino46 Registered Posts: 124 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    oh god,

    i used AEA on the shares gain computation!!

    and my final profit in section 2 was charged 21% corp tax as my profits didnt go over 300000!!
  • jojo1966
    jojo1966 Registered Posts: 21 New contributor 🐸
    koda wrote: »
    For the rollover relief question I was sure the proceeds were £175k and the new business cost was £250k so therefore she would have invested the whole amount so no CGT.... have I read it wrong.....?

    proceeds were 300k, the gain was 175k - there was 50k not reinvested
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    koda wrote: »
    For the rollover relief question I was sure the proceeds were £175k and the new business cost was £250k so therefore she would have invested the whole amount so no CGT.... have I read it wrong.....?

    Weren't the proceeds £300000 and the gain £175000 ?
  • val0123
    val0123 Registered Posts: 42 Regular contributor ⭐
    Was there an associated company, so the lower and upper limits had to be halved ?
  • koda
    koda Registered Posts: 52 Regular contributor ⭐
    val0123 wrote: »
    Weren't the proceeds £300000 and the gain £175000 ?
    Ah yes I think so... damn, I've talked about re-investing the gain rather than the proceeds... poop!
  • pirate
    pirate Registered Posts: 469 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    For section 2 I calculated that the profits of PCTCT plus dividend of £600 was over the lower threshold of 300,000/2
    So I did a marginal relief calc,
    I dont think I was right now but I did the calculation loads of time in which I took my PCTCT + dividend from 150,000 and there was a positive number but did anyone do this
    I can't remember the calculation now at all for profits even before they were adjusted
    but I had to add back to the addjusted profits income for rental of 64200 and the Chargable Gain on the shares at 29900
    I have something like 118000 for the capital allowances but I cant remember
  • safrica
    safrica Registered Posts: 106 Dedicated contributor 🦉
    val0123 wrote: »
    Weren't the proceeds £300000 and the gain £175000 ?

    Yes, so £50000 were liable to tax immediately (300-250), and the gain rolled over was £125000 (250-125).
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